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REM Posted - 25 Oct 2019 : 06:18:12
Race weekend again is here-

Prac 1 is 11:15, not sure if that is proper NSW time or Hillbilly time? Hope Scotty can wrap it up on Sunday!

https://media2.speedcafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Event-Guide-Gold-Coast-2019.pdf
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troy01505 Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 22:09:23
quote:
Originally posted by bluefan

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by bluefan

Whether relevant or not, the GoG point was just that, a point, an observation. As I replied, all factors need to be considered when talking safety.

As others have questioned changing of the track, the radius on the chicanes may need reviewing, so the impact is more blunt and more forgiving.



I wouldnít change a thing, itís a street circuit and accidents like this are a part of that. The shock is one of them rare times a part has made its way outside of the track. Big deal, why do we have to add more bubble wrap to society every time something happens?

Cars havenít outgrown the place, people are simply pushing the cars harder then ever before. Maybe the Mustang is just not as good on tight windy street circuits as it is on the fast flowing European style circuits.



Fair point troy01505. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating bubble wrapping society, I believe there's too much of that already. You make reference to the Stang possibly not being as good on the twisty bits, hence my reference to the change to it's CoG, in my original post. Just a point of reference to consider and discuss.



Itís very hard to make a car extremally good for both types of circuits but kudos to Scotty because thatís the car at its worst it is still a ****ing good car.

Maybe possible the cars ran a lot stiffer this year to as kerbs were throwing cars across the road at times.
Wrighty05 Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 21:17:07
Scotty looked to be over driving all weekend which is out of character.

Chaz mucked up his braking. I think youíll find he braked early if anything.

Less aero next year will help with the speeds
bluefan Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 20:43:27
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by bluefan

Whether relevant or not, the GoG point was just that, a point, an observation. As I replied, all factors need to be considered when talking safety.

As others have questioned changing of the track, the radius on the chicanes may need reviewing, so the impact is more blunt and more forgiving.



I wouldnít change a thing, itís a street circuit and accidents like this are a part of that. The shock is one of them rare times a part has made its way outside of the track. Big deal, why do we have to add more bubble wrap to society every time something happens?

Cars havenít outgrown the place, people are simply pushing the cars harder then ever before. Maybe the Mustang is just not as good on tight windy street circuits as it is on the fast flowing European style circuits.



Fair point troy01505. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating bubble wrapping society, I believe there's too much of that already. You make reference to the Stang possibly not being as good on the twisty bits, hence my reference to the change to it's CoG, in my original post. Just a point of reference to consider and discuss.
troy01505 Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 20:24:30
quote:
Originally posted by bluefan

Whether relevant or not, the GoG point was just that, a point, an observation. As I replied, all factors need to be considered when talking safety.

As others have questioned changing of the track, the radius on the chicanes may need reviewing, so the impact is more blunt and more forgiving.



I wouldnít change a thing, itís a street circuit and accidents like this are a part of that. The shock is one of them rare times a part has made its way outside of the track. Big deal, why do we have to add more bubble wrap to society every time something happens?

Cars havenít outgrown the place, people are simply pushing the cars harder then ever before. Maybe the Mustang is just not as good on tight windy street circuits as it is on the fast flowing European style circuits.
Trickyonne Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 20:00:43
Watching the race, I couldnít help but wonder if the sport has out grown the track
bluefan Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 19:45:58
Whether relevant or not, the GoG point was just that, a point, an observation. As I replied, all factors need to be considered when talking safety.

As others have questioned changing of the track, the radius on the chicanes may need reviewing, so the impact is more blunt and more forgiving.
Harry S Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 18:30:04
quote:
Originally posted by murph_fan51

Would it be possible to revert to the original track layout now?

Not the exact layout, no - the light rail prevents that being possible.
murph_fan51 Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 18:24:20
Would it be possible to revert to the original track layout now?
troy01505 Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 17:26:05
Yeah COG had nothing to do with that roll or the shock flying.

Was watching an old GC Indycar/supercar round and speed and anger of the cars these days would of been good on the old long circuit. A few more turns would be great, shame a lot of people abandoned the round once Indy pulled the pin
fordman Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 15:24:57
I think the tipping onto its side was caused by the right rear tyre getting under the car and tipping it over as there appears to be an initial impact then a second later it appears to "bounce" onto its side.
skaifeman Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 15:19:32
Rather than looking at his exact words (are you a lawyer btw?) - let's look at what he's proposing - have all safety factors been considered, in relation to the changing CoG mid-season?
It's never been a problem before, and after the changes we should have the same CoG as 2013.

So back to my statement, "it's a non-issue," if the cars have been homologated at a safe level with a previously accepted CoG.
The question poses a interesting question and some research behind it would be good to interrogate, but to position Supercars as inconsiderate towards safety due to a mid-season change is wrong.
Hence my "it's not the problem here." Still with me?

Sometimes you have to read between the lines to see the whole picture, not just look at the lines...

AlbertM Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 14:46:24
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Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by bluefan

Lower centre of gravity would help with preventing a flip or roll over.



The amount itís been raised barely makes a difference.

20Kg makes a big difference. Might not on your everyday car but on a race car doing 200Km/h the effort required to make it change direction is enormous.


It's not the 'problem' here.
This is about the stray shock.



Is it? Lets look. Bluefan mentioned if the cars have a lower COG it might have prevented the roll over. Troy01505 said that the amount raised would barely make a difference. Still with me? I suggested that 20Kg at 200km would make sizable difference.

I don't see a mention of a stray shock...go figure.
skaifeman Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 14:29:03
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by bluefan

Lower centre of gravity would help with preventing a flip or roll over.



The amount itís been raised barely makes a difference.

20Kg makes a big difference. Might not on your everyday car but on a race car doing 200Km/h the effort required to make it change direction is enormous.


It's not the 'problem' here.
This is about the stray shock.

AlbertM Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 13:05:53
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by bluefan

Lower centre of gravity would help with preventing a flip or roll over.



The amount itís been raised barely makes a difference.

20Kg makes a big difference. Might not on your everyday car but on a race car doing 200Km/h the effort required to make it change direction is enormous.
troy01505 Posted - 01 Nov 2019 : 12:12:15
quote:
Originally posted by bluefan

Lower centre of gravity would help with preventing a flip or roll over.



The amount itís been raised barely makes a difference.

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