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AlbertM
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 Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 00:08:04
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Wow, and I get bagged for saying that holden are more worried about profits than public and consumer safety?
How typical to find you of all people bagging Holden.
You hate holden more than I hate Ambrose.
If consumers want safety then they'd buy a different car. Personally, I'd go for a Tank. If consumers want a car packed with features on a very cheap budget then they'd look at this. If people aren't willing to spend a decent amount of money then their options are limited, such is life. Personally, if i had 14 grand I'd buy a Bigger car ... but used because I'd prefer to be driving around something that doesn't crumple.
You can't crucify Holden for selling this car afterall, they're selling it to a budget. If people want more, they have to $$$ pay for it.
How typical you blindly defending Holden. I have a go kart with a better safety rating.
This is nothing more than GM Holden trying to save a buck at the expense of safety. |
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MunroGTS
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Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 01:20:34
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If the car didn't come with a cd player, you two would be bitching about it.
They have to cut corners somewhere to make up for the price. IF people want a safer car, then they can buy it. Holden isn't making anyone buy the car.
Believe it or not Albert, people are free to choose what car they drive. You for instance chose to buy an AU falcon. Sure, I'm not sure what you were thinking or what you were on at the time but still, you had the choice of buying it..... |
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AlbertM
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Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 03:13:48
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Originally posted by MunroGTS
If the car didn't come with a cd player, you two would be bitching about it.
A CD player and safety are 2 very different things.
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They have to cut corners somewhere to make up for the price. IF people want a safer car, then they can buy it. Holden isn't making anyone buy the car.
Sorry but there are more safer car for the same money on the market. Of cause Holden are making people buy the car, what do you think ads are?
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Believe it or not Albert, people are free to choose what car they drive. You for instance chose to buy an AU falcon. Sure, I'm not sure what you were thinking or what you were on at the time but still, you had the choice of buying it.....
Ah, The good ol cheap shot. Actually I had little choice. I'm 6' 8" and need a big car. So it was either a VX or an AU, seeing the VX is a POS I went for the AU.  |
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BAF05
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Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 06:47:22
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I might be chiming in a bit late here, and the link to the original story doesn’t work anymore...
Anyway, I think it’s drawing a pretty long bow to call these cars, death traps! Good God, two star rating or not, they are still going to be safer than the 50% or 60% of the other cars that are on the road.
I do think Holden are trading on the good name of the Barina to sell the ex-Daewoo cars, and I am probably not in favour of that, but these days the buying public are much better informed, and are allowed to vote with there feet, as I am sure they will.
I also must add, there is a certain amount of irony attached to the thread, especially when you see which of the "usual suspects" is debating the argument!
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AlbertM
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Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 15:43:51
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Originally posted by BAF05
I might be chiming in a bit late here, and the link to the original story doesn’t work anymore...
Anyway, I think it’s drawing a pretty long bow to call these cars, death traps! Good God, two star rating or not, they are still going to be safer than the 50% or 60% of the other cars that are on the road.
I do think Holden are trading on the good name of the Barina to sell the ex-Daewoo cars, and I am probably not in favour of that, but these days the buying public are much better informed, and are allowed to vote with there feet, as I am sure they will.
I also must add, there is a certain amount of irony attached to the thread, especially when you see which of the "usual suspects" is debating the argument!
I agree it is probably safer than most cars on the road. However in this day and age you would expect for car to improve and not drive something made in 2006 with something as safe as in 1980. |
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MunroGTS
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Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 17:17:54
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Sorry but there are more safer car for the same money on the market. Of cause Holden are making people buy the car, what do you think ads are?
Holden aren't making people buy the car. Holden are inviting people to TREAT themselves to the car (I see you've never studied contract law).
IF people want to buy a safer car then they can do so. Your lame attempt at putting crap on Holden isn't working, your argument is flawed but rest in ease your opinion is noted. |
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AlbertM
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Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 21:41:49
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Oh forgive me for caring about humanity and not the all mighty dollar.
Holden can sell a safer car for the same money(the opel model) However they choose to sacrifice saftey to make more money. Isn't that what everyone hates about big business? Paying the same money but getting less product? |
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FalconGTHO351
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Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 00:52:06
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Holden aren't making people buy the car. Holden are inviting people to TREAT themselves to the car (I see you've never studied contract law).
And I doubt you've done much with contract law either... No, they're not forcing them, but they should have to advise the buying public of it's dismal performance in a crash safety test.
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IF people want to buy a safer car then they can do so.
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Your lame attempt at putting crap on Holden isn't working
We wouldn't expect you to see things any other way Munro, don't worry... I just hope the people unfortunate enough to get conned into buying these don't get into any accidents...
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your argument is flawed but rest in ease your opinion is noted.
Name one flaw... Your perpetual zest for jettisoning impotent declarations into this forum is becoming enervated and narcoleptic. Relinquish the duress situated upon ones cockalorum, and stop throwing around non-sensical bull**** when you don't have anything constructive to say. To say anyone else's arguments are flawed when approximately 95% of yours are too is nothing but hypocritical gibberish. The arguments aren't flawed, it's just an opinion, just because it doesn't mesh with yours and because it actually holds weight against your obvious beliefs that holden can do no wrong and they wouldn't do anything wrong doesn't mean it's flawed at all...
That being said, kudos to BAF for a constructive and objective post... Now BAF, who would those "Usual suspects" be? |
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Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 10:07:18
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Originally posted by AlbertM
Holden can sell a safer car for the same money(the opel model) However they choose to sacrifice saftey to make more money.
This is the point in a nutshell. AND it is inexcusable. Holden should be made to contribute the difference in profit margin between the Daewoo tin can, and the Opel, to the hospital system, or to a compensation fund for people who are needlessly injured as a result of Holdens quest for more money. |
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MunroGTS
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Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 14:57:33
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And I doubt you've done much with contract law either
Actually know it all, I majored in it (in my second degree) at *shock* University.
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when you don't have anything constructive to say
Your idea of constructive " Holden is bad because they're a company offering an unsafe car to consumers, therefore All Holden's are bad and Holden people are stupid... oh my god how can they sell a car that is unsafe ... just to make profit... oh my god i thought Holden existed to provide us all with safe cars..... how can the people who are there to MAXIMISE PROFITS sleep at night... oh my god" What i'm doing here is trying to prove to you Holden have done nothing wrong.
You're using this thread as an excuse to BASH Holden, so shut your mouth.
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stop throwing around non-sensical bull****
Facts are:
* Holden are selling a car with a 2 star safety rating.
* That car is a product in business, an instrument which Holden uses to make money
* Holden could make the car safer, then charge more, reducing the amount of sales.
* Holden are a BUSINESS, BUSINESS is about MAKING MONEY. Therefore they want to reduce the amount of COST involved.
* People are free to go buy the latest Four Wheel Drive, if they're worried about Safety.
Remember the Ford Pinto ? One of the unsafest cars on the market.... does that mean FORD should be crucified ? No.
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Oh forgive me for caring about humanity and not the all mighty dollar.
*yawn* people who care about humanity, won't buy the car. People who care about owning a car that's cheap to run and fits well within their budget, will care about the mighty dollar. People who are in between, will buy a different car.
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but they should have to advise the buying public of it's dismal performance in a crash safety test.
Section 52 of the Trade Practices Act 1974 states that in trade or commerce, a corporation is not allowed to mislead or deceive. Holden aren't doing anything wrong, the crash net results are there for the WORLD TO SEE - There is no FOUL. It's not as if Holden are misrepresenting the safety of the vehicle.
Sensical enough ?
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AlbertM
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Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 15:05:49
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If you're so tired of this debate Munro maybe you should have a lye down.
One can hope you are right Munro and it turns out a sales flop. |
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Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 15:25:03
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;) Don't be too upset I've proven you and Falcon were only looking for a Holden Bash Albert.
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Posted - 12 Jun 2006 : 15:34:16
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I've had enough !
Albert, you narrowly escaped this time. |
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