You should follow this blokes tips, he has tipped first 4's and does quinellas like you wouldn't believe. I still remember last year when he told me to Back Billabong Girl to upset Sokyola in last years Navy Cup at Moonee valley for the trotts. Sokyola was paying about $1.20 to Billabong Girl's $20. So I went with what he said and of course it won. Not sure how he does it but listen to what the master says and go against everything you think you should tip.