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Posted - 25 Jan 2008 :  11:14:13  Show Profile Send Sonic a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
wondered about that too donkman (not that it affects me as i don't follow tennis)

but why would you run with a cartoon to decide a point rather than a fixed camera replay?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sonic

wondered about that too donkman (not that it affects me as i don't follow tennis)

but why would you run with a cartoon to decide a point rather than a fixed camera replay?



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Stupid line calls by line persons was the cause of Hawkeye being introduced in the first place. It all started a couple years ago when i think it was Serena Williams played Jennifer Capriati and Capriati won but there were some crucial shots called wrong and when the camera proved that the lines people were wrong but the chair ump didnt overall the call even after her co-umpires were proved wrong.
I remember reading about Hawkeye in my Tennis mag i get every month sent to me from my Uncle and Auntie in America. I cant find the magazine now but from what i remember Hawkeye has about a a 3.6mm average error which is than divided by 65mm which is teh size of the ball and gives you a 5%margine for error which means that the Hawkeye system is sometimes may be out by 5%. I know stupid ai?
Anyway to answer your question Sonic some umpired can be real tough on on calls and can not overall a call even if they know the call is wrong and Hawkeye was therfore introduced to make sure everyone is happy.
Hawkeye has had some backing from people liek John McEnroe who like most of you should know loved to have a go at an umpire or linesman lol, Jim Courier the american redhead who commentates for channel 7 when the Australian open is on he is a former world number one and 2 time Australian open winner in 91 and 93 if im not mistaken. Also people like Rodger Rasheed the guy that used to coach Hewitt.

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The hawkeye system is extremely accurate, the reason they don't use cameras is that with the speeds the balls move even the cameras sometimes make it tough to make a definitive answer.

Basically, it works by using about 6-7 cameras placed at strategic positions around the court. They're all 60fps cameras, making the calls much more accurate. There's also speed cameras to measure the speeds of the ball. From this, plus considering the distortion and skidding of the ball, the data is put into the computers, to work out the trajectory of the ball accurate to 2mm. Based on this its really easy to quickly render an animation

And it's not just calls its used for. The graphic displays where they show where the winning shots went, or when they say 'his last winner was 199km/h' is all done by the system as well.

Probably the only thing I don't like about the system is the fact that the players only get 3 challenges. I suppose it's enough, but it means that the players have to be looking at every shot and deciding if they want to challenge. Personally, I'd prefer if every shot just had a light or something that flashed when the ball goes out (still used the hawkeye to measure it of course).

But of course, it then takes away some of the drama that the hawkeye makes. And, it means that we wouldn't hear the crowd going 'oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHH YEAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!' when the hawkeye system is used, which makes really entertaining viewing
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Actually, they're only allowed three incorrect challenges. If they're challenge is correct, they still have that challenge available to them.

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Originally posted by Pod 3:16

Actually, they're only allowed three incorrect challenges. If they're challenge is correct, they still have that challenge available to them.



Yeah sorry meant to say that. But for me, there shouldn't be an option, it should just be all calls are electronically done, so like the moment a ball goes out a red light and a big 'buzzz' goes off. Means that 100% there can't be a wrong call, and it's not up to the players (who IMO shouldn't have the responsibility of challenging the umpires call)
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The only thing I hate about Hawkeye is that it's not availiable on the outside courts such as Margerate Court Arena. But then again, the outside courts need roofs, don't they?

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Yes but Unfortuantly putting a roof and a hawkeye system on every court would be really really really expensive. My tennis club got flood lights for our new court cost them 40 grand for 4 floodlights and thats without installation.
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The only issue it had was on Vodafone Arena where the late arvo sun caused problems with a half shade/half light court. It buggered everything up and Hawkeye couldn't be used on that court for an hour a day.

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They need line people, like in cricket, to see if the batsmen is in or out. Would be a tough job though, if you got a few wrong, then, there's the sack.
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