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ENews First
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 Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 09:49:55
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I always thought they were the only left foot breakers Muz.. could be wrong.
Currently Murphy and Coulthard are the only drivers still o the left foot breaking style. The latest driver to have this style was Steven Johnson, however he changed his style to heel and toe based on issues his style was having with the DJR Fords and I recall Johnson stating that he was having grip and break issues often with that style and this is the very same thing that I feel Greg Murphy is in. Townsvillve was very evident in this where he was performing well in the Sunday race passing many cars and then lost grip majorly after around 10 laps or so. He then couldnt pull the car up later in the race as his break capacity was limited and this is due to his agressive nature in left foot breaking.
Until Greg Murphy realises that this style isnt changed he will continue to have frustration. Im glad to hear that he will be trialing a new method in the up coming test day. Greg Murphy is still wanting to retain his driving style hence why the PMM team have come up with many alternative setups but all will be put to the test at the Full Test day with 888.
I feel that this up coming test day will be very beneficial for PMM and driving Jamie and Craig's VE's will give them a better understanding as to which style they should be taking. |
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HRT_GO
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 12:18:36
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| so when is the test day? |
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spoonster05
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 12:31:21
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Originally posted by ENews First
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Originally posted by V8SuperRiley
I always thought they were the only left foot breakers Muz.. could be wrong.
Currently Murphy and Coulthard are the only drivers still o the left foot breaking style. The latest driver to have this style was Steven Johnson, however he changed his style to heel and toe based on issues his style was having with the DJR Fords and I recall Johnson stating that he was having grip and break issues often with that style and this is the very same thing that I feel Greg Murphy is in. Townsvillve was very evident in this where he was performing well in the Sunday race passing many cars and then lost grip majorly after around 10 laps or so. He then couldnt pull the car up later in the race as his break capacity was limited and this is due to his agressive nature in left foot breaking.
Until Greg Murphy realises that this style isnt changed he will continue to have frustration. Im glad to hear that he will be trialing a new method in the up coming test day. Greg Murphy is still wanting to retain his driving style hence why the PMM team have come up with many alternative setups but all will be put to the test at the Full Test day with 888.
I feel that this up coming test day will be very beneficial for PMM and driving Jamie and Craig's VE's will give them a better understanding as to which style they should be taking.
I've been suggesting the change may help but some seem to think it only affects fuel economy and has nothing to do with other aspects of how the car looks after brakes/tyres and how it translates to cornering |
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fonda
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Sonic
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 18:08:50
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| i agree with you Spoon... i'm a left foot braker... when you do that you can brake that fraction later and harder as there is no time between coming off the accelerator and getting to the brake pedal... and then back on the gas early putting the tyres under increased stress.. seems Murph's problem is that extra aggressiveness pays dividends early when tyres are new but perhaps that is a part of why he goes nowhere in the latter stages... extra brake heat into the rim/tyre and aggressive acceleration causing excessive tyre wear? |
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gomurph51
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bigcol
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Muz
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 20:08:31
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| Has Murphy always left foot braked though Col? Or is it something he started doing in the more recent past? I seem to remember something about Murphy adopting this technique in 2007 or 2008? |
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bigcol
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Muz
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 20:28:27
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Righto, perhaps he has and I'm wrong in which case the left foot braking is no excuse...it would be good to know for sure though!
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Sonic
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 20:50:36
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| he wouldn't have been able to left foot brake when they had to use the clutch so when did they change to not have to use it? perhaps Simon could help out here (if he still bothers with this thread) |
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bigcol
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argus
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Sonic
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Posted - 31 Jul 2010 : 23:23:40
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| didn't realise that... thought you could go up but not down without clutch in the Hollinger's... thanks Col.. |
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spoonster05
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 01:59:11
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Originally posted by bigcol
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Originally posted by spoonster05
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Originally posted by ENews First
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Originally posted by V8SuperRiley
I always thought they were the only left foot breakers Muz.. could be wrong.
Currently Murphy and Coulthard are the only drivers still o the left foot breaking style. The latest driver to have this style was Steven Johnson, however he changed his style to heel and toe based on issues his style was having with the DJR Fords and I recall Johnson stating that he was having grip and break issues often with that style and this is the very same thing that I feel Greg Murphy is in. Townsvillve was very evident in this where he was performing well in the Sunday race passing many cars and then lost grip majorly after around 10 laps or so. He then couldnt pull the car up later in the race as his break capacity was limited and this is due to his agressive nature in left foot breaking.
Until Greg Murphy realises that this style isnt changed he will continue to have frustration. Im glad to hear that he will be trialing a new method in the up coming test day. Greg Murphy is still wanting to retain his driving style hence why the PMM team have come up with many alternative setups but all will be put to the test at the Full Test day with 888.
I feel that this up coming test day will be very beneficial for PMM and driving Jamie and Craig's VE's will give them a better understanding as to which style they should be taking.
I've been suggesting the change may help but some seem to think it only affects fuel economy and has nothing to do with other aspects of how the car looks after brakes/tyres and how it translates to cornering
I gather that 'some' is me you're refering too.
DJR have the data to prove that Steven Johnson was using more fuel by left foot braking. His times never suffered with left foot braking. They remained the same with either foot.
What you're trying to say is all of a sudden he's having issues but when he was the fastest around Bathurst the left foot technique didn't hurt. More excuses.
Dragging all the weight of Murps ego around wouldn't help his lap times
If you want to be included in the 'some' then that's fine, I've had the discussion with race drivers with recent V8 Supercar experience who wouldn't left foot brake in a V8 Supercar but do in their 'usual' categories so take from that what you want
The level of tyre wear, etc from 'mainstream' footwork and left foot braking would depend on a number of factors from track surface & temperature, the way the car is set up (stiff or soft, carrying speed into corners or having the mid corner/exit speed, etc)
Bathurst isn't really that abrasive on tyres compared to some other tracks
Bottom line is Murph really has nothing to lose from trying the more 'mainstream' technique, probably won't be a 'miracle' fix but even a slight increase in speed may get Murph back into the zone where he needs to be |
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Edited by - spoonster05 on 01 Aug 2010 02:02:57 |
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Should Muph feel ashamed?
