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Willsy I'm sure Albie knows that you meant stand aside and stay there but he's like a dog with a bone sometimes - a very smelly bone!



Careful LG, Zac will jump on you for assuming/predicting something.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Willsy I'm sure Albie knows that you meant stand aside and stay there but he's like a dog with a bone sometimes - a very smelly bone!



Careful LG, Zac will jump on you for assuming/predicting something.



Albie, I know you're not stupid...
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You guys must watch this!https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=553915951305937&set=vb.100000626108610&type=2&theater


Wow. Just wow.

To think the Australian public dislikes Labor/Gillard so much that they are willing to vote for this person as prime minister is truly depressing.


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Get over yourself.

The LNP have stopped the publication of the quarterly financial reports of the QLD state government.

That isn't a media ban and all the bull**** spin you put on it won't change that fact.

As far as a media ban goes, even high ranking treasury staff have been told to keep quiet or they will lose their jobs

WHY ??????????????????



I couldn't care less if it was the person 2nd or 3rd level down from the under Treasurer - you can't have treasury staff going out their making statements about the economy that have the potential to be false and misleading and consequently, undermining the government's position and confidence in the economy.

As for your quarterly financial reports, if they come at six months or yearly it isn't really going to change much as we know the state's finances are still ****ed thanks to Labor and as long as the reports whether done every three, six months or yearly are accurate with verification from the Auditor-General, I see no problem with it, especially if it saves the State costs in terms of not having to prepare more regular reports.



Well they've been in for 12 months and it's all still verwy veerwy seecwweett. Not one ****ing report apart from paying that leech Costello 2 million for his half arsed bull****. Nothing like looking after your mates.

I'll tell you why they haven't. Costellos report is full of **** just like the LNP government. They've even lumped debt that was associated with stuff like QR National and some of the ports that were sold off with what the state owes.

If they weren't hding anything those quarterly reports would be forth coming. Bit hard to make yourself look good when the situation isn't as bad as you're making out when you're slashing and burning jobs, worthwhile projects, schools and taking money by stealth



No Costello's report was right on the money - we are ****ed unless we make some drastic changes and it did canvass options like raising taxes, selling assets - like any prudent response would envisage.

However, what I will concede is that it (i.e. Costello's report) didn't tell me anything new from what I knew has to happen...but I can't vouch for the rest of the ignorant folk out there in Queensland, especially the ones that so blindly kept voting in the incompetent labor party for all those terms of government.

Again I go back to my previous points, if they the Government, as you suggested, are using reports concerning the State's finances that are less frequent in their compilation and publication than how it was under the previous Government and the Auditor-general comes back and says that those reports are not accurate and/or misleading and in effect they have 'cooked the books' they can face and should face the full repercussions from the voting public for those mistakes that they have made.

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

Willsy I'm sure Albie knows that you meant stand aside and stay there but he's like a dog with a bone sometimes - a very smelly bone!



Careful LG, Zac will jump on you for assuming/predicting something.



Albie, I know you're not stupid...



Nah, just a dog with a bone...Grrrrrr

If that's how you see correcting misinformation, so be it. No one is interested in facts anyway.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Originally posted by bigcol

Get over yourself.

The LNP have stopped the publication of the quarterly financial reports of the QLD state government.

That isn't a media ban and all the bull**** spin you put on it won't change that fact.

As far as a media ban goes, even high ranking treasury staff have been told to keep quiet or they will lose their jobs

WHY ??????????????????



I couldn't care less if it was the person 2nd or 3rd level down from the under Treasurer - you can't have treasury staff going out their making statements about the economy that have the potential to be false and misleading and consequently, undermining the government's position and confidence in the economy.

As for your quarterly financial reports, if they come at six months or yearly it isn't really going to change much as we know the state's finances are still ****ed thanks to Labor and as long as the reports whether done every three, six months or yearly are accurate with verification from the Auditor-General, I see no problem with it, especially if it saves the State costs in terms of not having to prepare more regular reports.



Well they've been in for 12 months and it's all still verwy veerwy seecwweett. Not one ****ing report apart from paying that leech Costello 2 million for his half arsed bull****. Nothing like looking after your mates.

I'll tell you why they haven't. Costellos report is full of **** just like the LNP government. They've even lumped debt that was associated with stuff like QR National and some of the ports that were sold off with what the state owes.

If they weren't hding anything those quarterly reports would be forth coming. Bit hard to make yourself look good when the situation isn't as bad as you're making out when you're slashing and burning jobs, worthwhile projects, schools and taking money by stealth



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No Costello's report was right on the money - we are ****ed unless we make some drastic changes and it did canvass options like raising taxes, selling assets - like any prudent response would envisage.


Like Abbott commenting on but not actually reading the BHP report have you read Costellos report.
No Co-cidence that Costello who sold of the farm now wants QLD to do the same, runs a company that specialises in the sale of government assets. Singapore own more of our assets than we do

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However, what I will concede is that it (i.e. Costello's report) didn't tell me anything new from what I knew has to happen...but I can't vouch for the rest of the ignorant folk out there in Queensland, especially the ones that so blindly kept voting in the incompetent labor party for all those terms of government.


You know as well as i do why we had 20 years of Labor. The National and Liberal parties in QLD hated each others guts and couldn't work togther and even when they tried to show a united front they couldn't organise a root in brothel with a handfull of hundreds and their cocks in their hand.
Just as well the Liberals have more say then the nutbag Nationals in this government. The Liberal National parties are to blame why we had labor for so long. They were grossly incompetent and from what we've seen up here, since the election i'm not sure anything has changed

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Again I go back to my previous points, if they the Government, as you suggested, are using reports concerning the State's finances that are less frequent in their compilation and publication than how it was under the previous Government and the Auditor-general comes back and says that those reports are not accurate and/or misleading and in effect they have 'cooked the books' they can face and should face the full repercussions from the voting public for those mistakes that they have made.


Even in the darkest days of political corruption that the Nationals and Liberal fostered and thrived on we still saw the financial figures for this state.

Again, if they have nothing to hide why don't they publish them.


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Again, if they have nothing to hide why don't they publish them.




If you look at the state of our finances, I think you will find the answer

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Bull****.

The Public have been given a non independant report by a Liberal member who has interests in selling off publicly owned assets


Treasury have all the number crunchers needed to do the job but your LNP cronies throw 2 million at some southern scumbag that sold off Australias assets. No cpnflict of interest there.



When this secret squirel crap stops and they come clean i'll believe it.
At the moment we all we have is a skewed non independant report and a gag on the very people that should be telling it how it is

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Bull****.

The Public have been given a non independant report by a Liberal member who has interests in selling off publicly owned assets


Treasury have all the number crunchers needed to do the job but your LNP cronies throw 2 million at some southern scumbag that sold off Australias assets. No cpnflict of interest there.



When this secret squirel crap stops and they come clean i'll believe it.
At the moment we all we have is a skewed non independant report and a gag on the very people that should be telling it how it is



But we are looking at two different reports - the 'independent' one that Costello did and the quarterly one that Treasury reportedly does - I agree paying him the amount he supposably made on the preparation of the report is ridiculous but it is only ridiculous to me as he didn't tell me anything new but sadly there are many other people out there in Queensland that need a report such as this one with the recommendations it did make to spell out what we need to do about the debt.

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Yep you're right it is pretty sad when the people you elect have to get an outsider in to tell them the state of the finanaces when you have a government body that has all that information on hand.

Costellos report is more political than it is financial

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Costellos report is more political than it is financial



It is also about giving the public confidence in the Government's ability to turn it around given what Costello did back when he had to deal with 96 billion dollars worth of debt...there is light at the end of the tunnel if we are willing to keep walking towards that light

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Costellos report is more political than it is financial



It is also about giving the public confidence in the Government's ability to turn it around given what Costello did back when he had to deal with 96 billion dollars worth of debt...there is light at the end of the tunnel if we are willing to keep walking towards that light



So selling your assets only to then pay to use them in the future is light at the end of the tunnel? It's like selling your furniture to pay off the home loan, sure you're out of debt but you either sit on a slab of concrete or pay to replace it.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Yeah was handed a poison chalice alright.

An economy that was already on the improve
Interest rates were well and truly on the way down.
Inflation was under control
A mining boom in full swing
then raking in more from the GST than they ever imagined
And then the sale of assets which we are all paying for now.

and he left us with increasing interest rates.
climbing inflation
cost of living rises this country had never seen the like of before
some of the lowest housing affordabilty in the world
and of course middle class welfare that wasn't needed before he came to power

Then Newman comes out with we're just like Spain. Not hard to tell he'd been to the Tony Abbott schooll of public bull****tery
Then his own Treasurer Nicholls comes out and says we are nothing like that

Any cofidence gained by having some political conflict of interest report went out the window when Newman started taking the hatchet to worthwhile programs and the public service.

The only cofidence in QLD all comes from outside influences and Newmans developer mates.
Here's one that is now before the Land and Enviroment Court.
We all know the Red Rooster site on the hairpin at the southern end of the GC600 track.

Well Tom Tate and his LNP goons have given approval for a 46 storey high rise on that site. The building will look like a toothpick.
There will be 190 units and 90 of them do not have a car parking space.
The over flow parking from Surfers already goes past that point of a night time. Where do you think those other parking spots are going to come from.

While i like to see people employed and plenty of work for all.
If this is the cost of it, it isn't worth it





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More on the Driscoll case and how it goes to Bruce. That is Bruce McIvor Liberal pary state president

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/lnp-bureaucrats-knew-of-mp-scott-driscolls-consultancy/story-e6freoof-1226615273413

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The Liberal Party have come up with a cheaper alternative to the National Broadband Network.

The Coalition's planned broadband infrastructure will "freeze" broadband speeds, and need ongoing and expensive upgrading to resemble the system that Labor is already building, IT experts have warned.
Labor's national broadband network (NBN) is connecting fibre cables to many homes and business, while the Coalition plans to link fibre cables to "nodes", which would then link to individual users via copper wire.

Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott unveiling their broadband plan. Photo: Angus Mordant
As Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull himself conceded: "I wouldn't say we're admitting to [needing fibre-to-the-premises later]. We're admitting it's a possibility."
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Paul Budde, a telco analyst at BuddeComm, said it was "good to see that ... the Opposition indicates that eventually fibre-to-the-home will be needed".
But, he said, "how will the Opposition address that issue in five years' time or so? There is nothing in the ... plan that addresses this issue, beyond their initial quick and cheap fix, still at a considerable cost."

Communications Minister Senator Stephen Conroy. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen
The Australian Information Industry Association said it was concerned that the proposed model compromised speed and "potentially also the overall quality and longevity of the network".
"Guaranteed speeds of 25 to 50 megabits per second fall far short of the promised 100 megabits per second to be delivered by the current NBN model," said AIIA chief executive Suzanne Campbell.
Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the Coalition's policy was "like building the Sydney Harbour Bridge with only one lane".

Dr Mark Gregory, from RMIT University's School of Electrical and Computer Engineering. Photo: Supplied
Instead of spending Labor's $37.4 billion building a fibre-to-the-premise broadband network for 93 per cent of homes and businesses, the Coalition will spend $20.4 billion, mostly using a cheaper technology called fibre-to-the-node, that would deliver minimum download speeds of 25 megabits per second (Mbps) and maximum speeds of 100Mbps to 71 per cent of premises.
This would involve building about 60,000 cabinets, or "nodes", on street corners, connecting them to fibre cables and then piggybacking on the old Telstra copper telephone lines to reach premises. It would also require the successful renegotiation of Labor's $11 billion dollar contract with Telstra, which currently involves disconnecting copper as Labor's NBN is rolled out.
Fibre-to-the-premise technology will be delivered to 22 per cent of premises and, like Labor, the Coalition is making use of satellite and fixed wireless to deliver service to the last 7 per cent.

Geoff Huston, chief scientist at APNIC. Photo: Edwina Pickles
But while the Coalition's NBN would cost about $17 billion less than Labor's and would be completed two years sooner — in 2019 instead of 2021 — IT experts wonder how long it could last.
Telstra's copper is ageing and the Coalition will need to spend billions of dollars to maintain it.
Turnbull clueless on copper damage: iiNet

Suzanne Campbell of the Australian Information Industry Association (AIIA). Photo: Supplied
Steve Dalby, chief regulatory officer at internet provider iiNet, said he couldn't believe that Mr Turnbull didn't seem to understand that there would be a large cost when it came to hooking up customers using the Telstra copper network.
Mr Turnbull said on Tuesday that there were two approaches the Coalition's NBN could take where Telstra's copper was in poor condition: fixing the copper that can be fixed, or replacing copper with fibre.
When questioned about the lifespan of the copper network, Mr Turnbull said "nobody knows".

iiNet chief regulatory officer Steve Dalby. Photo: Supplied
"It may be a very long time, but it depends on the technological developments," he said. "I'm knowledgeable enough and modest enough to know that you can't predict the future with great certainty."
Mr Dalby said Mr Turnbull's response meant that he did not know the true condition of the copper network, some of which is corroding and has been underground for up to 100 years.
"So [Mr Turnbull] doesn't know what it's going to cost him [to replace damaged copper cables] and he doesn't know where the problems are or the scale of the problems in relation to the existing infrastructure," Mr Dalby said. "I think it's a much bigger issue than he is giving credit for.

Telsyte telco analyst Foad Fadaghi. Photo: Louie Douvis
"I know so many people that say 'when it rains, my broadband drops out' or 'I can only get 1.5Mbps' or 'I can only get dial-up'. There are going to be a lot of people lining up saying 'I'm one of those case studies, I want you to have a look at my case and I want you to replace my copper'.
"So suggestions that he will only spend $29.5 billion probably ignore the fact that ... there will be a lot of people still unhappy with the performance of their telecommunications services," he said.
Coalition policy a 'lemon'
At his press conference, Mr Turnbull said the Coalition NBN would deliver "speeds that are more than capable of delivering all of the services and applications households need".
Telstra's former chief internet scientist Geoff Huston, who now works as chief scientist for APNIC (an organisation that assigns the numbers that underpin the internet IP addresses to providers such as iiNet and Optus) said that Mr Turnbull was trying to convey that what we did on the internet today was what we would do for the next 30 years.
"What stupid nonsense," Dr Huston said. "What we were doing 30 years ago [dial-up] modems could handle.
"I would like to think that what we're doing 30 years [from now] only fibre could handle."
Dr Huston said that the worst thing experts could do when trying to predict people's internet activities was assume that yesterday's traffic was going to be the same as tomorrow's.
"All experience points precisely to the opposite," he said.
"While it might look like today's computers can do 25 Mbps and that's just fine, you and I and everyone else have no idea of what the world's going to look like in 10 years' time. But I can guarantee that it's going to take a lot more than 25 Mbps [per house] to feed it," Dr Huston said.
Dr Huston, along with senior Melbourne lecturer Mark Gregory at RMIT University's school of electrical and computer engineering, said that the policy was "a lemon".
"I would side with the view that this one is indeed a lemon," Dr Huston said. "And we've already learned from the [Remote Integrated Multiplexers] (mini telephone exchanges Telstra deployed that became bottlenecks) years ago that this kind of hybrid solution is extremely difficult to actually upgrade and replace.
"And quite frankly, 25Mbps in 10 years' time – that speed is going to look like what a [dial-up] modem looks like to us today. Too little, too slow, too backwards."
He added that the Coalition's policy would see download speeds "freeze" due to constraints inherent with poor-quality copper cables and fibre-to-the-node equipment.
"Effectively what you are doing in this kind of hybrid solution is you are freezing at a certain level of capacity, and then if you try and augment that, you've actually got to re-do the entire network – and we know how much that costs in today's dollars. [It's] not pleasant."
Said RMIT's Dr Gregory: "There's no guarantee of course [the Coalition] will get the telcos on board.
"I estimate that it would take two years to get any agreement with Telstra and with the telcos ... The Coalition plan is a lemon. I just think that it's just not going to provide what they say."
But Grahame Lynch, founder of the Australian telco industry website CommsDay, said the Coalition's plan was a great advance on its previous plan.
"I actually think people should give Malcolm Turnbull some credit for dragging his party as far as he has on this.
"Six years ago under Helen Coonan ... they were proposing to spend nothing more than about $1 billion or $2 billion on broadband – so they've definitely come a long way."
Mr Lynch said he would recommend the Coalition plan to friends and family because, on balance, it looked "better to me from a technology and [roll-out] speed point of view".
"It is probably better than we thought it was going to be," he said. "From a cost point of view, maybe not as good ... but on an overall balance you're going to get an upgrade to your network quicker and cheaper and that's going to mean something that is important for a lot of people."
He said it could be argued that a fibre-to-the-premise network now would make an NBN future-proof.
"But as we can see now, we're in a humming economy with labour shortages and so on and so forth. It's not necessarily an easy thing to do in the here and now."
By contrast, telecommunications industry analyst Paul Budde said the Coalition's decision to primarily use fibre-to-the-node was the "less favourable option" and called its plan “half-baked”.
“I prefer to call it 'step one',” Mr Budde said. “Where is the rest of the policy? If step one is all there is, it remains a half-baked product that in the end will prove to be more costly in the long run [as] eventually the old copper will need to be replaced and who will be paying for that?”
Mr Budde said "critical details" on how the Coalition would achieve a cheaper outcome, even at lower prices, remained a big question.
“The roll-out of fibre-to-the-node [maintaining the old copper network] is increasingly becoming a less favourable option. With the ongoing ageing of the copper network, that problem will only increase, [as] working with an old network means that you will come across many 'surprises' in that network that need to be fixed and that will either increase the costs or make it impossible for people to get true fast broadband," Mr Budde said.
Telco analyst Foad Fadaghi, research director with Telsyte, said he had some concerns about the Coalition policy.
"Yes, in the short term it could be good enough. In the long term, 10 or 20 years into the future, 25 megabits per second will certainly not be enough.
"There will be a need to move beyond fibre-to-the-node, eventually."
Mr Fadaghi said fibre-to-the-node may only be a good interim solution, especially if commercial interests were able to subsidise fibre connection to homes in return for providing content in a similar way telcos subsidise mobile handsets, for example.
However, it would not future-proof Australia's infrastructure and may affect multinationals' decisions to invest in the country.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/coalitions-nbn-will-need-ongoing-costly-upgrading-experts-warn-20130410-2hkah.html#ixzz2Q7qLe0Xi
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Still over half the cost to build for just a 1/4 of the service and higher running and maintainence costs.

Oh yeah, the libs really know how to spend money better.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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