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Zac
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Posted - 18 Jun 2013 :  20:20:58  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Oh and Zac...'if' you were responding to me earlier about the curve ball....wrong side of politics!
I was, but anything to improve the standing of either side of politics is fine by me. Both sides are about as low as they have ever been in my recall.

I don't want a Labor wipeout, and I don't want a Coalition domination either. Nor do I want the opposite. I want a healthy democracy with good leadership on both sides. We've got a long way to go to get to that. A curve ball to or from either side could be just the thing. Maybe curved balls from both sides.
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Posted - 18 Jun 2013 :  20:25:33  Show Profile Send Madaz a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply

I think we should all consider voting for Labor in the Senate.

That's the large white ballot paper by the way.



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Posted - 18 Jun 2013 :  20:27:52  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I agree, but it was union protesting that got holden workers the pay they are on

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Posted - 18 Jun 2013 :  21:55:53  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Intersting that holden workers are voting on a pay decrease to keep their jobs...and the unions legal arm is not doing a thing

i thought labour was for blue collar workers ?



Haven't the politicians just recently given themselves a payrise? who decides that?
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Originally posted by Trickyonne

Intersting that holden workers are voting on a pay decrease to keep their jobs...and the unions legal arm is not doing a thing

i thought labour was for blue collar workers ?



Haven't the politicians just recently given themselves a payrise? who decides that?



they do ?

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Posted - 18 Jun 2013 :  22:11:07  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Bundy, my words were "what should be an almost non-competitive opponent", not "a non-competitive opponent". The Coalition is only looking good because with Labor so on the nose atm, anything and anyone looks better. Despite your glowing endorsement, Tony Abbott is only marginally more appealing to voters than Julia. Anything he has achieved electorally has been by default only.



'What should be an almost non-competitive opponent' which infers that he isn't all that capable to begin with and if Labor were to have a decent leader that they would be able to beat Abbott.

And my 'glowing endorsement' simply speaks of the results of his action or inaction - I'm sure if we start to talk about the policies and positions of the coalition compared to what Gillard's government has achieved you will still get your 'glowing endorsement' outcome

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.

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Zac
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Yeah, now you're getting it. Tony Abbott is doing well by saying and doing little. Try and settle the rest of your rampant enthusiasm for Tony by not presupposing what others think.

That armchair must be vewwy, vewwy quiet for you to spend so much time over here.


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Posted - 18 Jun 2013 :  22:34:50  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Yeah, now you're getting it. Tony Abbott is doing well by saying and doing little. Try and settle the rest of your rampant enthusiasm for Tony by not presupposing what others think.




I was simply rehashing what you had written not that I actually agree.

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Posted - 18 Jun 2013 :  22:40:19  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Rehashing and rewriting aren't quite the same. Maybe for you.
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Posted - 18 Jun 2013 :  22:46:29  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Zac

Rehashing and rewriting aren't quite the same. Maybe for you.



I know

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Posted - 19 Jun 2013 :  05:17:19  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Trickyonne

Intersting that holden workers are voting on a pay decrease to keep their jobs...and the unions legal arm is not doing a thing

i thought labour was for blue collar workers ?

scratching for something to hang **** on Labor about T1? and this is a short straw let me tell you!

Labor does NOT run the Unions, members run the Unions and if members decide to take a pay cut to save their jobs then it is up to them to decide and vote, however I reckon it will have to pass through Fair Work Australia before it is ratified.

As aside this is not the first time workers have decided to take a pay cut to help the company, S.P.C. did it years ago, I didn't hear you squealing then?
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In December 1990, when SPC came close to bankruptcy, cannery workers took a pay cut and the growers who owned the co-operative accepted pay and price cuts for fruit, in a $2.5 million salvage deal
from http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/11/14/1100384430486.html?oneclick=true

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Zac
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Posted - 19 Jun 2013 :  07:10:49  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Labor does NOT run the Unions
Is it the other way round, then?
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Posted - 19 Jun 2013 :  07:25:01  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Zac

Yeah, now you're getting it. Tony Abbott is doing well by saying and doing little. Try and settle the rest of your rampant enthusiasm for Tony by not presupposing what others think.

That armchair must be vewwy, vewwy quiet for you to spend so much time over here.







Lovin Zac!!!

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Posted - 19 Jun 2013 :  07:42:16  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Zac

quote:
Originally posted by Trev
Labor does NOT run the Unions
Is it the other way round, then?

at times you would think so -

I thought that when I typed my response

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Posted - 19 Jun 2013 :  13:07:44  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
trev...there isnt too many labor members who arnt former union bosses

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