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HDT05
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  22:15:10  Show Profile Send HDT05 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Or you could go to destitute aboriginal communities, or impoverished flats where infirm, sick, elderly people live, or women's refuges, or many other places to see somewhat more vulnerable people. I do see people sitting in front of machines in clubs, having enjoyed their subsidised meals, drinks beside them, car in the carpark, job to go to. Besides, like I said, serial gamblers aren't just pokie addicts. They punt on horses and other things, play Keno, play poker online, spend more than they can afford on Lotto etc., and so on. You can put all the addicted gamblers losing more than they have, together, and you still have a tiny number of people, and certainly not the most vulnerable people in society.

Wilkie's pre-set limit legislation, if it ever happens, will make the tiniest dent in fixing the problem. Imperative? Maybe, but nowhere near as much as many other bigger problems afflicting vulnerable people.


Speaking of pokies!
I know of someone who only gets $800 odd dollars a fortnight, and he recently put a few hundred in the pokies, and had it up to $4,800, and blew it by pitting it back through, then went in there the next day/night, and put the rest of his pay that he had which was I think $200, into the pokies, and had it up to $2,700 and fed the pokies again, and he does this over and over, Plus sometimes buys Keno, etc...plus he has a smoking addiction, i've bashed the guy because he does it, but if he doesn't feed his addiction he had a mental breakdown, its sick to see ppl going and doing this just to feed their sickening addiction. Sad indeed.

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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  22:18:57  Show Profile Send bundy a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by HDT05

quote:
Originally posted by Zac

Or you could go to destitute aboriginal communities, or impoverished flats where infirm, sick, elderly people live, or women's refuges, or many other places to see somewhat more vulnerable people. I do see people sitting in front of machines in clubs, having enjoyed their subsidised meals, drinks beside them, car in the carpark, job to go to. Besides, like I said, serial gamblers aren't just pokie addicts. They punt on horses and other things, play Keno, play poker online, spend more than they can afford on Lotto etc., and so on. You can put all the addicted gamblers losing more than they have, together, and you still have a tiny number of people, and certainly not the most vulnerable people in society.

Wilkie's pre-set limit legislation, if it ever happens, will make the tiniest dent in fixing the problem. Imperative? Maybe, but nowhere near as much as many other bigger problems afflicting vulnerable people.


Speaking of pokies!
I know of someone who only gets $800 odd dollars a fortnight, and he recently put a few hundred in the pokies, and had it up to $4,800, and blew it by pitting it back through, then went in there the next day/night, and put the rest of his pay that he had which was I think $200, into the pokies, and had it up to $2,700 and fed the pokies again, and he does this over and over, Plus sometimes buys Keno, etc...plus he has a smoking addiction, i've bashed the guy because he does it, but if he doesn't feed his addiction he had a mental breakdown, its sick to see ppl going and doing this just to feed their sickening addiction. Sad indeed.



Exactly right HDT...it is a deplorable situation for some out there indeed.

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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  22:57:22  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
It's their choice.
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 :  23:03:23  Show Profile Send bundy a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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It's their choice.



But in most cases, they have lost their self-control. Should the State therefore intervene to reduce the ensuing welfare burden that would occur if they lose all their money, job and family? I argue yes, although unfortunately such an addiction may transferred to other means of gambling.


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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 :  01:06:42  Show Profile Send HDT05 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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It's their choice.


You don't get it!

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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 :  08:54:48  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by bundy

But in most cases, they have lost their self-control. Should the State therefore intervene to reduce the ensuing welfare burden that would occur if they lose all their money, job and family? I argue yes, although unfortunately such an addiction may transferred to other means of gambling.

Does this statement come from people who believe that speed camera's are just revenue gatherers, this is Government 'interveneing', I smell a little bit of hypicrosy here

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quote:
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It's their choice.


You don't get it!


I get it all right - it's still their choice.
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 :  09:01:28  Show Profile Send bundy a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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quote:
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But in most cases, they have lost their self-control. Should the State therefore intervene to reduce the ensuing welfare burden that would occur if they lose all their money, job and family? I argue yes, although unfortunately such an addiction may transferred to other means of gambling.

Does this statement come from people who believe that speed camera's are just revenue gatherers, this is Government 'interveneing', I smell a little bit of hypicrosy here



I don't know how you can compare this to speed camera's whose purpose, other than promoting safety, is to gain revenue for the Government while these pokie reforms will have the opposite effect on revenue and if they are successful, they will indeed lower revenue to the States.

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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 :  11:09:38  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Originally posted by bundy
"Should the State therefore intervene to reduce the ensuing" road toll


Hypocrisy!!!!

You want Government intervention to stop people spending their own money, but you don't want Government intervention to stop people dying.

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Come on Trev it's all fairly ****ing obvious here.

Bungy is only backing Wilkie because red headed idiot has told him to go jump

Of course it's hypocritical. Every ****ing bit of **** that spews out of his dribble filled computer is

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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 :  18:41:52  Show Profile Send bundy a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Come on Trev it's all fairly ****ing obvious here.

Bungy is only backing Wilkie because red headed idiot has told him to go jump

Of course it's hypocritical. Every ****ing bit of **** that spews out of his dribble filled computer is



Unneccesary to say the very least and not even remotely to do with politics.

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People should be free to make their own choices, not have that right removed by some self-righteous clown!!

These independants and greens are diminishing what little credibility they have left with all this 'big brother' goody toe-shoes **** and their black-mailing methods to achieve it!!!!

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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 :  22:38:27  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bundy

quote:
Originally posted by HDT05

quote:
Originally posted by Zac

Or you could go to destitute aboriginal communities, or impoverished flats where infirm, sick, elderly people live, or women's refuges, or many other places to see somewhat more vulnerable people. I do see people sitting in front of machines in clubs, having enjoyed their subsidised meals, drinks beside them, car in the carpark, job to go to. Besides, like I said, serial gamblers aren't just pokie addicts. They punt on horses and other things, play Keno, play poker online, spend more than they can afford on Lotto etc., and so on. You can put all the addicted gamblers losing more than they have, together, and you still have a tiny number of people, and certainly not the most vulnerable people in society.

Wilkie's pre-set limit legislation, if it ever happens, will make the tiniest dent in fixing the problem. Imperative? Maybe, but nowhere near as much as many other bigger problems afflicting vulnerable people.


Speaking of pokies!
I know of someone who only gets $800 odd dollars a fortnight, and he recently put a few hundred in the pokies, and had it up to $4,800, and blew it by pitting it back through, then went in there the next day/night, and put the rest of his pay that he had which was I think $200, into the pokies, and had it up to $2,700 and fed the pokies again, and he does this over and over, Plus sometimes buys Keno, etc...plus he has a smoking addiction, i've bashed the guy because he does it, but if he doesn't feed his addiction he had a mental breakdown, its sick to see ppl going and doing this just to feed their sickening addiction. Sad indeed.



Exactly right HDT...it is a deplorable situation for some out there indeed.



The fact of the matter is that the government actually need the revenue from problem gamblers, smokers and alcoholics to produce a big turnover each financial year.
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 :  03:25:02  Show Profile  Visit tommo11's Homepage Send tommo11 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bundy

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

Come on Trev it's all fairly ****ing obvious here.

Bungy is only backing Wilkie because red headed idiot has told him to go jump

Of course it's hypocritical. Every ****ing bit of **** that spews out of his dribble filled computer is



Unneccesary to say the very least and not even remotely to do with politics.



triggered snowflake xox

Edited by - tommo11 on 23 Jan 2012 13:45:45
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 :  08:45:46  Show Profile Send bundy a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
It seems that the Gillard government is hanging on by a thread now with Wilkie withdrawing his support for the Government and now having to rely on a turncoat Liberal who said last year that he wouldn't apply for the position of speaker if it kept Gillard's minority Government intact. Well, with the troubles still circulating over Thomson over the inappropriate use of his union credit card, that slim majority that Slipper gives them might be wiped away.

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