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AlbertM
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Posted - 08 Jul 2013 :  15:40:12  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by bundy5

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Originally posted by 27GV

http://nofibs.com.au/2013/07/06/exclusive-abbott-forced-to-repay-taxpayers-9400-he-charged-taxpayers-to-promote-his-book/

The Opposition leader, Mr Abbott, was forced to repay taxpayers nearly $9,400 after receiving travel expenses to promote his book Battlelines in 2009.

The repayment occurred after Mr Abbott publicly denied the allegation through a spokesman, who stated:

All travel undertaken by Mr Abbott has been within the entitlement. This is a blatant attempt by Labor to smear and mislead.

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Hmmm. Makes me wonder what he will pull if we give him the keys to the country...



Not unusual for an MP for this to occur. As long as the excess entitlement money is paid back and thus not requiring the matter to be referred to the AFP, I can't see there being too much of a drama.



Not unusual...OK Then why is Slipper being raked over the coals for $900 in cab fair? Slipper to offered to pay back the amount but was rejected.

Wouldn't have anything to do with leaving the Liberal Party surely...



Probably because he was a serial offender

So was Abbott, got done twice. The rules allow MPs to pay back the amount should it be found it was not for ministerial work. Why wasn't Slipper allowed this option?

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 08 Jul 2013 :  19:23:57  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Usually I like to ****-bag Rudd's plans but this one where he proposes that the leader is to be selected based on equal weighting between the caucus and party members is a good one. Now he and the Labor party have to follow through with it, put it into action and keep it that way. I hope, although I do have my reservations, that this isn't all just smoke and mirrors...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-members-to-have-say-in-leader-under-rudd-proposal-20130708-2pm3a.html

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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My god, I watched Abbott on 7.30 Report, he spent 10 minutes saying nothing, what an embarrassment he must be for the die-hard Liberal voters out there, nothing, no expansion on policies and he was given ample opportunity, what an embarrassment.

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Originally posted by bundy5

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Originally posted by 27GV

http://nofibs.com.au/2013/07/06/exclusive-abbott-forced-to-repay-taxpayers-9400-he-charged-taxpayers-to-promote-his-book/

The Opposition leader, Mr Abbott, was forced to repay taxpayers nearly $9,400 after receiving travel expenses to promote his book Battlelines in 2009.

The repayment occurred after Mr Abbott publicly denied the allegation through a spokesman, who stated:

�All travel undertaken by Mr Abbott has been within the entitlement. This is a blatant attempt by Labor to smear and mislead.�

- - -

Hmmm. Makes me wonder what he will pull if we give him the keys to the country...



Not unusual for an MP for this to occur. As long as the excess entitlement money is paid back and thus not requiring the matter to be referred to the AFP, I can't see there being too much of a drama.



Bull****! As a government employee, if I was to do that I would be charged with fraud even if i offered to repay the money!!

The fraud was committed, he got caught and he lied to cover his arse!

The guys a buffoon!!

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Posted - 08 Jul 2013 :  22:39:05  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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My god, I watched Abbott on 7.30 Report, he spent 10 minutes saying nothing, what an embarrassment he must be for the die-hard Liberal voters out there, nothing, no expansion on policies and he was given ample opportunity, what an embarrassment.



And Rudd's long winded statements of puff are any better?

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Originally posted by bigem

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Originally posted by bundy5

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Originally posted by 27GV

http://nofibs.com.au/2013/07/06/exclusive-abbott-forced-to-repay-taxpayers-9400-he-charged-taxpayers-to-promote-his-book/

The Opposition leader, Mr Abbott, was forced to repay taxpayers nearly $9,400 after receiving travel expenses to promote his book Battlelines in 2009.

The repayment occurred after Mr Abbott publicly denied the allegation through a spokesman, who stated:

�All travel undertaken by Mr Abbott has been within the entitlement. This is a blatant attempt by Labor to smear and mislead.�

- - -

Hmmm. Makes me wonder what he will pull if we give him the keys to the country...



Not unusual for an MP for this to occur. As long as the excess entitlement money is paid back and thus not requiring the matter to be referred to the AFP, I can't see there being too much of a drama.



Bull****! As a government employee, if I was to do that I would be charged with fraud even if i offered to repay the money!!

The fraud was committed, he got caught and he lied to cover his arse!

The guys a buffoon!!



I think it is something like the 'Minchin' reforms - anyway for a few years now if a MP claims excessive entitlements and it isn't done with malicious intent to defraud the Commonwealth and they have no priors, they can pay it back when they receive notice from the Minister responsible which Abbott did.

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.

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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 :  08:44:39  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Abbott had no intention of paying it back, he had to be chased for it and if he was honest about it he wouldn't have claimed the expenses in the first place. He just got caught.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 :  08:59:10  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Abbott had no intention of paying it back, he had to be chased for it and if he was honest about it he wouldn't have claimed the expenses in the first place. He just got caught.



Is that like Rudd had no intention of running against Julia?
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 :  09:21:45  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Abbott had no intention of paying it back, he had to be chased for it and if he was honest about it he wouldn't have claimed the expenses in the first place. He just got caught.



How do you know he had no intention personally of paying it back?

IIRC it was an oversight by a staffer who arguably innocently made the mistake of over-claiming and once the Minister responsible checked the entitlements claimed for the year and found Abbott had erred, it became a simple administrative matter of writing to him and making him aware of the indiscretion and requesting re-payment. Mountains over molehills I'm afraid with this one as I said before these types of incidents are common occurences for MPs.

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.

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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 :  10:05:37  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Mountains over molehills I'm afraid with this one
well isn't that a turn around, a Liberal supporter claiming that an incident is being made into a 'Mountains over molehills', jesus Christ, we have been putting up with this **** from the Liberals from the day that Abbott took the reins and he roped in his motely crew of Pyne, Bishop, Hockey and Mirabella, aren't they a ripe group of positive individuals -

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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 :  10:20:13  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Mountains over molehills I'm afraid with this one
well isn't that a turn around, a Liberal supporter claiming that an incident is being made into a 'Mountains over molehills', jesus Christ, we have been putting up with this **** from the Liberals from the day that Abbott took the reins and he roped in his motely crew of Pyne, Bishop, Hockey and Mirabella, aren't they a ripe group of positive individuals -



Someone is happy with the opinion polls

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 :  10:35:51  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Of course, if it means keeping Abbott out, it is a good thing, my choice is Gillard, but . . . . . .


BTW, I think the choices Rudd is suggesting to change the way a Leader is elected is a good thing, they need to do something to stop the destabilisation.

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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 :  10:55:16  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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BTW, I think the choices Rudd is suggesting to change the way a Leader is elected is a good thing, they need to do something to stop the destabilisation.



I agree but perhaps making it 100% from the rank and file members would be better and make it a compulsory vote. The latter part should apply to the Labor party's current proposal of 50% weighting anyway.

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/morgan-poll-july-8-2013-201307080647?utm_source=5018&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Social&utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=Social

Looks like Rudd is leading a comeback.


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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 :  13:31:32  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/morgan-poll-july-8-2013-201307080647?utm_source=5018&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Social&utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=Social

Looks like Rudd is leading a comeback.



Isn't the art of spin wonderful when it is so perfectly performed?

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 :  13:39:14  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
as long as Abbott is not PM after the election, then all is good

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