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CP
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Posted - 18 Jul 2013 :  09:27:59  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/holden-joins-car-industry-chorus-against-rudd-fbt-change/story-fnho52ip-1226680971148

The car industry is struggling in this country, and Rudd does this. Salary sacrificing is the only way a lot of people can afford a new car.



Will this affect pollies as I'm sure they benefit quite alot from this tax?
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AlbertM
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Posted - 18 Jul 2013 :  14:50:51  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/holden-joins-car-industry-chorus-against-rudd-fbt-change/story-fnho52ip-1226680971148

The car industry is struggling in this country, and Rudd does this. Salary sacrificing is the only way a lot of people can afford a new car.

Ford are closing, Holden on the brink...what car industry?

Libs and the Murdoch press are doing their chicken little routine again. Saying it's all going to collapse by Christmas. Funny, it wont take effect until 1 July 2014. The it's still debatable is if will do any harm at all.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Coyote302
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Posted - 18 Jul 2013 :  15:37:10  Show Profile Send Coyote302 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/holden-joins-car-industry-chorus-against-rudd-fbt-change/story-fnho52ip-1226680971148

The car industry is struggling in this country, and Rudd does this. Salary sacrificing is the only way a lot of people can afford a new car.

Ford are closing, Holden on the brink...what car industry?

Libs and the Murdoch press are doing their chicken little routine again. Saying it's all going to collapse by Christmas. Funny, it wont take effect until 1 July 2014. The it's still debatable is if will do any harm at all.



No harm? really? Have a read of this.

http://www.fleetpartners.com.au/novated-lease/important-information-federal-government-announce-proposed-fbt-changes/

Salary sacrifice is the last benefit many of us get, and now it may not be viable.

Member 6,356,453 Church of Ambroseology

If you can't beat them, sook until you get the rules changed.








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bigem
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Posted - 18 Jul 2013 :  18:26:38  Show Profile Send bigem a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/holden-joins-car-industry-chorus-against-rudd-fbt-change/story-fnho52ip-1226680971148

The car industry is struggling in this country, and Rudd does this. Salary sacrificing is the only way a lot of people can afford a new car.

Ford are closing, Holden on the brink...what car industry?

Libs and the Murdoch press are doing their chicken little routine again. Saying it's all going to collapse by Christmas. Funny, it wont take effect until 1 July 2014. The it's still debatable is if will do any harm at all.



No harm? really? Have a read of this.

http://www.fleetpartners.com.au/novated-lease/important-information-federal-government-announce-proposed-fbt-changes/

Salary sacrifice is the last benefit many of us get, and now it may not be viable.



This is a complete arse-wipe move by Rudd.

I'm not impressed with this when you look at what these cock-sucking politicians get as perks while the rest of us are having ours taken away!!


New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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falcon_cobra
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i don't have a problem with what they have done, again if you are doing the right thing, there is no need to worry

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bigem
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i don't have a problem with what they have done, again if you are doing the right thing, there is no need to worry



Its not a right/wrong argument f_c!

Its an unsubstantiated cash grab from hard working people who actually spend money by buying new cars every 3-5 years!

Who does that hurt most I wonder. The very people who might just have put them back in.

Who ever advised them on this one got it seriously wrong!!

Defence, Health, most Rail networks, government and council employees are the ones this effects, not to mention the thousands employed by Salary sacrificing firms, say good bye to labor at the next election!!

Gillard couldn't have ****ed this up any better than Rudd!!


New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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karter
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Just typical Labor policy. They never look past the first impact. It's like stopping negative gearing on rental properties - who does it hurt? Not the "rich bastard landlords" it was supposed to hurt. Instead it hurt the people who needed houses to rent.
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/we-want-malcolm-turnbull-voters-say-20130719-2q87x.html

Are we finally going to be rid of the budgie smuggling idiot? We can only hope.

Turnbull v. Rudd would be great for the country. What a joke we lost 3 years with Gillard and Abbott. Both utterly useless.


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Legendary Gerry
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Turnbull v Rudd is the same result as Abbott v Gillard - a whitewash!
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Trev
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Posted - 19 Jul 2013 :  17:16:00  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well done KRudd on the proposed new boat people policy, simple yet should be effective.

Next the ****ing Liberals will be screaming that Labor is putting all the boat people processors out of work!

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Zac
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Well done KRudd on the proposed new boat people policy, simple yet should be effective.
Just an attempt (not thought through, as usual) to unscramble the mess he created in the first place. Still, for a bloke who said that he would "never lurch to the right" on the issue of boat people, he's doing a pretty good impression. Those seats in Sydney's West have got him tying himself up in knots.
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AlbertM
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Posted - 20 Jul 2013 :  03:45:02  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/holden-joins-car-industry-chorus-against-rudd-fbt-change/story-fnho52ip-1226680971148

The car industry is struggling in this country, and Rudd does this. Salary sacrificing is the only way a lot of people can afford a new car.

Ford are closing, Holden on the brink...what car industry?

Libs and the Murdoch press are doing their chicken little routine again. Saying it's all going to collapse by Christmas. Funny, it wont take effect until 1 July 2014. The it's still debatable is if will do any harm at all.



No harm? really? Have a read of this.

http://www.fleetpartners.com.au/novated-lease/important-information-federal-government-announce-proposed-fbt-changes/

Salary sacrifice is the last benefit many of us get, and now it may not be viable.



http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/a-tax-break-story-weve-heard-before-and-the-sky-did-not-fall-in-20130719-2q997.html

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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Coyote302
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Posted - 20 Jul 2013 :  09:23:53  Show Profile Send Coyote302 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/holden-joins-car-industry-chorus-against-rudd-fbt-change/story-fnho52ip-1226680971148

The car industry is struggling in this country, and Rudd does this. Salary sacrificing is the only way a lot of people can afford a new car.

Ford are closing, Holden on the brink...what car industry?

Libs and the Murdoch press are doing their chicken little routine again. Saying it's all going to collapse by Christmas. Funny, it wont take effect until 1 July 2014. The it's still debatable is if will do any harm at all.



No harm? really? Have a read of this.

http://www.fleetpartners.com.au/novated-lease/important-information-federal-government-announce-proposed-fbt-changes/

Salary sacrifice is the last benefit many of us get, and now it may not be viable.



http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/a-tax-break-story-weve-heard-before-and-the-sky-did-not-fall-in-20130719-2q997.html



So fleet companies sacking people and a reduction in new car sales is ok with you?

Member 6,356,453 Church of Ambroseology

If you can't beat them, sook until you get the rules changed.








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Zac
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Posted - 20 Jul 2013 :  09:58:59  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Sacking people and reducing new car sales is not OK with me, but reducing tax rorts is fine with me. Just like other tax breaks in the past, the 'salary sacrifice' deal has been rorted well and truly. It's not the 'class war' against BMW, Merc, Porsche and Audi drivers some are making it out to be. It's closing a tax law that has been overused and abused. Lots of Hyundais, Mazdas and Toyotas are part of it, but it gives tax breaks to some while the rest end up paying. I know the 'salary sacifice' pros and cons well and truly, having seen and been part of it from all sides. My guesstimate is that the large majority of these vehicles and the majority of their kilometers are 'private use' - and that wasn't the reasoning for the salary sacrifice rules in the first place.

What I'd question is the timing and the reasoning. Timing: In the lead-up to an election and at the worst possible time for the car industry. Reasoning: The government has wasted so much money in the past six years, it's looking everywhere for somewhere to gouge back some revenue. It sounds pretty funny when Chris Bowen tells us that no-one will be hurt. Eh? They plan on getting back $1,800,000,000 in lost revenue and no-one's going to feel a thing? Still, go for it Chris. Timing and reasoning no good at all, but if I was in government, I'd have done it years ago.

Edited by - Zac on 20 Jul 2013 10:01:16
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bRaDzAsS
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I'm so sick of the talking and hot air these days, for me it's just numbers and facts, 1996 Liberal government inherits over 90 billion in debt from labor, end of Howard's term he hands Rudd a 90 billion surplus, now after a Rudd and Gillard we are back in the red over 200 billion.

Whatever numbers or policies Rudd or Abbott blab on about, again just got to look at the numbers and facts, the Howard years saw a handful of boats, not the the thousands upon thousands we see now.

I'm 100% swinging voter and would dearly love labor to give me a reason not to have to vote for Abbott, but all I can hope is that a lot of the decision makers and people behind the scenes are still in the liberal party and have half an idea on how to manage an economy, have getting back in surplus a priority and don't have Labor's current obsession with spending first and asking questions later.

Best bet is to not vote and just keep face palming every time I hear something about Aussie politics.

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