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AlbertM
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Posted - 24 Jul 2013 :  19:12:52  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Zac

I haven't seen the Opposition calling Rudd's "plan" inhumane. Poorly thought out policy on the run as usual, but they're not calling it inhumane. Rudd dropped it into place not as a policy to see Australia into the next few years, but as a quick fix to see him past the election. Like so many of his thought bubbles, this one is unravelling.

Agreed it's policy on the run but a 3 word slogan "stop the boats" is hardly an alternative. Abbotts constant negativity of the PNG solution is an offer to the people smugglers to challenge the policy. The opposition is concerned more about self interest (hilarious given the **** they throw at Labor for it) than actually recognising a problem and dealing with it.

What else can Labor do? If they said the sky was blue the Libs would say it's wrong and really a shade of green.

bigem,

The FACTS about the fringe benefit tax rort:

THE TRUE FACTS ABOUT CHANGES TO FRINGE BENEFIT TAX FOR CARS

There has been a lot of misleading information in relation to the FBT changes so it is important to ensure that inaccurate assertions are corrected.

These facts include:

1) This reform will not affect the more than 3.6 million workers - including employees, the self-employed and sole traders - claiming deductions for work-related travel;

2) It is estimated that around 320,000 people are currently salary sacrificing a car under FBT rules;

3) The changes are not onerous, a claimant must simply account for 12 weeks in a 5 year period;

4) The changes will not affect existing commitments, even if the vehicle is on order and has not been delivered yet;

5) Around two-thirds of these people earn over $100,000 a year;

6) Treasury analysis indicates the changes affect around 1 in 6 employees earning over $150,000 a year compared to around 1 in 25 employees earning between $60,000 and $100,000 a year;

7)Claims that the FBT changes will cause massive damage to industry are alarmist and irresponsible;

Legitimate business use of a car can still be salary packaged and there are no changes to other items that can be salary packaged such as taxis, panel vans and utes, as well as laptops and benefits for not-for-profit workers.

9) Even putting aside the context of the changes to carbon pricing, the FBT decision is good tax policy. It protects the tax base for the vast majority of Australians who do not benefit from the salary packaging arrangements.

The Australian people are used to the negative politics of fear from Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey, who have made an art form of it for the past 3 years. It is no surprise they are stoking fear again over these changes because they have no credible policies themselves.

Source: Press release by The Hon Chris Bowen - Treasurer on 18/07/2013


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Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Trev
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Posted - 24 Jul 2013 :  19:44:48  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
**** Albert, don't let facts get in the way of a good bull**** story, this wont stop the scare mongering

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Coyote302
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Posted - 24 Jul 2013 :  20:06:56  Show Profile Send Coyote302 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
"Facts" from a politicians Facebook page, yeah right.

What's next on labors hit list? Death duties?

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Trickyonne
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Posted - 24 Jul 2013 :  23:03:25  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Well not so much if Labor get in, eh, share the pain, we will all gain. Under Howard the workers got the pain, now others might feel it as well - tch tch



hmmm my bills have never been higher and life never tougher and Im a worker...under howard MY life was far better

maybe lifes different over the border ?...but over hear under an ALP state and federal we are near stuffed.

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Zac
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  07:23:22  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
This idea that the Coalition looks after the bosses and stuffs the workers while Labor is the party for the workers is more imagined than real. Besides, if it was true and people believed it, the Coalition would never be in government. In my lifetime there has been 42 years of Coalition (Liberal/National) governments and 22 years of Labor. That's millions of workers voting against their own interests for the bosses if that silly idea was true. Maybe it's based on ideology from a time long past, but a look at the current policies of either side of politics doesn't show it to be the case. Labor's plan to tighten rules around FBT for cars is not based on some old ideology, but an attempt to claw back revenue lost on all those wasteful ill-thought through ideas from Rudd's first few years as PM.

It's hard to believe that Rudd, so unpopular both with the electorate and within his own party that he was removed by his party in his first term, (and now back because his replacement was even less popular) and so unpopular in his party that a lot of Ministers resigned rather than work with him, is Labor's preferred choice to lead the party. The only logical reason Rudd is PM is that the alternative, Tony Abbott is so electorally unappealing and so bereft of vision and leadership (and with so little talent to support him), that once again we are left to choose between the least worst. Whoever wins the election (whenever it is - and that's getting silly), there will be no reason for celebration.
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Trev
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  08:27:08  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
He wasn't unpopular with the electorate when he was removed, don't you remember you lot crowing about how they replaced a popular PM, **** you blokes have terrible memories

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Coyote302
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  09:53:50  Show Profile Send Coyote302 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trev

He wasn't unpopular with the electorate when he was removed, don't you remember you lot crowing about how they replaced a popular PM, **** you blokes have terrible memories



If he was so popular with the electorate why did the labor party dump him?

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Trev
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  10:22:06  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Coz he is a autocrat.

I have said before I don't like him, but if this what is needed to beat Abbott then so be it

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willsy
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  10:51:38  Show Profile  Visit willsy's Homepage Send willsy a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I liked Rudd when he was voted in, but did not like him or Labor by the time he was knifed.

SA is bloody tough at the moment Trickyonne, hearing you one that one!

I find it quite hard to fathom as well Zac with Rudd coming back in for Julia. I just hope once it all settles we have Malcolm at the helm...



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Zac
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  12:52:54  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trev

He wasn't unpopular with the electorate when he was removed, don't you remember you lot crowing about how they replaced a popular PM, **** you blokes have terrible memories

My memory is fine. Rudd was replaced because of a huge drop both in his own popularity and also that of his government. He wasn't that popular with you either, and certainly even less so over the past three years, although he's jumped back up in your own personal ratings recently.

I've worked out who "you lot" are. It's anyone who doesn't subscribe to the mantra "No matter who Labor's leaders are, Labor is always the best by far". It comes from wearing big blinkers and rose coloured glasses while telling anyone who isn't blinded by the same mantra to take their blinkers off. I admire your devotion to Labor, but I can't see anything in this Labor government to share your devotion.
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  13:46:02  Show Profile Send bigem a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Zac

I haven't seen the Opposition calling Rudd's "plan" inhumane. Poorly thought out policy on the run as usual, but they're not calling it inhumane. Rudd dropped it into place not as a policy to see Australia into the next few years, but as a quick fix to see him past the election. Like so many of his thought bubbles, this one is unravelling.

Agreed it's policy on the run but a 3 word slogan "stop the boats" is hardly an alternative. Abbotts constant negativity of the PNG solution is an offer to the people smugglers to challenge the policy. The opposition is concerned more about self interest (hilarious given the **** they throw at Labor for it) than actually recognising a problem and dealing with it.

What else can Labor do? If they said the sky was blue the Libs would say it's wrong and really a shade of green.

bigem,

The FACTS about the fringe benefit tax rort:

THE TRUE FACTS ABOUT CHANGES TO FRINGE BENEFIT TAX FOR CARS

There has been a lot of misleading information in relation to the FBT changes so it is important to ensure that inaccurate assertions are corrected.

These facts include:

1) This reform will not affect the more than 3.6 million workers - including employees, the self-employed and sole traders - claiming deductions for work-related travel;

2) It is estimated that around 320,000 people are currently salary sacrificing a car under FBT rules;

3) The changes are not onerous, a claimant must simply account for 12 weeks in a 5 year period;

4) The changes will not affect existing commitments, even if the vehicle is on order and has not been delivered yet;

5) Around two-thirds of these people earn over $100,000 a year;

6) Treasury analysis indicates the changes affect around 1 in 6 employees earning over $150,000 a year compared to around 1 in 25 employees earning between $60,000 and $100,000 a year;

7)Claims that the FBT changes will cause massive damage to industry are alarmist and irresponsible;

Legitimate business use of a car can still be salary packaged and there are no changes to other items that can be salary packaged such as taxis, panel vans and utes, as well as laptops and benefits for not-for-profit workers.

9) Even putting aside the context of the changes to carbon pricing, the FBT decision is good tax policy. It protects the tax base for the vast majority of Australians who do not benefit from the salary packaging arrangements.

The Australian people are used to the negative politics of fear from Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey, who have made an art form of it for the past 3 years. It is no surprise they are stoking fear again over these changes because they have no credible policies themselves.

Source: Press release by The Hon Chris Bowen - Treasurer on 18/07/2013


https://www.facebook.com/therese.quinlan/posts/10151755408564182



That has as much 'truth' and relevance as a Wikipedia page, what a load of rubbish and obviously from someone who does not use or understand the SS system at all!

Bowen must be about to get the gong for the shortest term ever served by a federal treasurer! ha ha

New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  18:13:53  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Nothing to fear from Labor's "on the run" FBT decisions...


http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8695373/fleet-car-firms-share-price-halves
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AlbertM
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  18:40:06  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

Nothing to fear from Labor's "on the run" FBT decisions...


http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8695373/fleet-car-firms-share-price-halves



This is what happens when people believe the BS instead of he facts. The article even states the laws have not passed parliament. So any downturn is self inflicted.

bigem, what is the truth then? What are the real facts? The thing about facts is that no matter the source they are still facts.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Trickyonne
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  21:06:47  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

Nothing to fear from Labor's "on the run" FBT decisions...


http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8695373/fleet-car-firms-share-price-halves



This is what happens when people believe the BS instead of he facts. The article even states the laws have not passed parliament. So any downturn is self inflicted.

bigem, what is the truth then? What are the real facts? The thing about facts is that no matter the source they are still facts.




surley your kidding

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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 :  21:09:57  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

Nothing to fear from Labor's "on the run" FBT decisions...


http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8695373/fleet-car-firms-share-price-halves



This is what happens when people believe the BS instead of he facts. The article even states the laws have not passed parliament. So any downturn is self inflicted.

bigem, what is the truth then? What are the real facts? The thing about facts is that no matter the source they are still facts.



Right Albert - nothing to do at all with the smoke and mirrors, the way in which it was announced, the detail omitted...
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