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AlbertM
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Originally posted by bundy5


Pink batts - billion over the estimated budget, resulted in the unfortunate deaths of workers

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/greens-call-for-return-of-pink-batts-insulation-scheme-after-report-reveals-environmental-and-cost-savings/story-fndo4eg9-1226473340340

School halls - again massively over budget due to, in part, builders gouging the system and lack of oversight to properly reign in costs both State and Federally.

By a massive 3%. Never mind that the schools have better facilities

Stimulus handouts - $900 went to estates of the deceased and went to people overseas when the objective of the stimulus was to hand out money so that the public could spend it immediately and in Australia

Do you hand your tax return back? If people do not inform the tax office of their current situation how would they know if a person is deceased or overseas

Boat people - dismantled effective immigration policy because he underestimated its ability in preventing illegal boat arrivals. 45000 people in Australia have come since.

Never mind that refugees have hit an all time high world wide (you know that little problem that Abbott said was only Australia's problem). There is nothing to suggest the "pacific solution" would have stopped the current influx. Just 1% of refugee have floated here on a boat since 2007. The real kicker is twice as many people that have come to OZ have over stayed their visa's and no a word is said about that

Carbon Trading System - failed to implement one despite it being 'the greatest moral dilemma facing our generation'

Policy was blocked, not Rudd's fault

Mining Tax - devised and enacted a tax that collected a minuscule of what it was predicted to collect.

It's a super profit tax, if there are no super profits it's not going to collect much. The original concept was blocked aswell

Budget surplus - despite years and years of promising a surplus even as late as for this year's budget we are yet to see a Labor party surplus and won't see one at best till 2016/2017 if we are to believe their figures which given their track record is a highly dubious thing to do.

Yeah sucks that the GFC.

Carbon Tax - let's forget about the broken promise as bad as that is by itself and will probably cost Labor victory on September 7 but the actual mechanism itself is a failure if it compensates some households

The compensation is to offset the carbon price, not the increases the companies tacked on and blamed the carbon price

more than what the actual tax is going to cost. It defeats the purpose of the tax in the first place if the net effect means that it isn't going to change households' behaviour towards energy consumption.

It has.

Forgot to add in (yep another failure) NBN - will be hugely over budget - NBN co silent on this and the government has been misleading the public over this one - it is known that contractors are struggling to do installations based on the fee that the government is giving them, this has now been increased. So again it is a lie from the Government that the NBN won't come in over budget and over by a large margin.

You do realise that the work currently being done is exactly the same work the Liberal version of the NBN will need even for the fridges on the corner? Not to mention the Libs version is a out dated and very limited technology that is being dumped by other countries that have already found it's limits

Finally Legacy - if we are to believe the government's legacy the mining boom is over and it's time to start focusing on other sectors of our economy, we have seen record revenue from mining but we have also seen record spending and what I want to know is where has it all gone?

Howards middle class welfare. Thanks to him we now have a age of entitlement

We are left with debt climbing to 400 billion, 30 billion working deficit and future funds for both health, education and pensions pillaged and we are getting to a point where baby boomers are close to retirement age and will be a huge drag on our tax receipts when they retire.

A debt that is 12% of GDP. Don't like it move to Japan

Labor are famous for leaving a mess for the liberals then to go in after and clean up. After September 7 this will be no different but given the extent of the damage caused, we could be feeling the effects of the clean-up for many years to come.

Then why do the Liberals get voted out if they do much better? The liberal cry "mess" because it's how they fool people into thinking they do a better job. All they preach is fear, negativity and exaggerate any little problem. Case in point, Abbotts "sex appeal" comment. Perfectly innocent but will hang Slipper for a private text message. Or maybe it's a couple of blokes sitting down for a beer? RUN FOR THE HILLS! A beer, oh the humanity!



Hear Hockey today? He doesn't want to bore the electorate with facts and figures, it not entertaining enough apparently. Heaven forbid the Liberals back up all that talk.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Trickyonne
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quote:
Originally posted by Zac

We get numbed to the number and size of failed Labor policies, so I can see how people might need reminding. Off the top of my head:

The failure of continued revised policies to control our borders. We've come a long way from Kevin's pre 2007 election promise to turn back boats and stop the trade of people smugglers. We've now had over 50,000 uninvited arrivals with a total cost that I doubt anyone has really calculated. There's a stack of failed policies just there. Julia's East Timor policy, the Malaysian solution etc. We've now got Tony Burke telling us that the rate of arrivals has really slowed since the message got out about Mannus Island to the people smugglers. The numbers show that they're not taking any notice.

Green Loans debacle, Cash for Clunkers failure, Grocery Watch, Fuel Watch, Home Insulation $3.7 billion debacle, the Mining Tax that was to raise billions and raised nothing, live meat export market collapse, GP Superclinics: Remember them? There were going to be 30+, but the scheme got canned at 2. If we regard a 'failed policy' as one that gets canned well before it was due to finish - and with costs going out of control, all of those qualify. I'm sure there's plenty of places on the net where you could find plenty more - and then there's the ones that the government calls successes, like the BER. Yes, schools got lots of halls and COLAs and libraries - but due to the lack of checks and balances and the great haste to get it up and running, there was massive waste - like, billions of dollars waste. While I type, I keep thinking of lots of other little ones. Whatever happened to the 'laptop for every student' idea? Just fell over, I think. Then there's been the talk-fests that went nowhere, etc etc.

The net result is a financial debacle. We have gone from a healthy surplus to around $250 billion debt in six years. Two hundred and fifty thousand million. Wayne Swan (in a rare moment of clarity before he jumped) predicted it would go over $300 billion in the next couple of years. That was a refreshing change from all those budget surpluses he kept predicting. You could say that regularly assuring us that we would have a surplus and then giving us ever bigger deficits is a policy failure. Just a little one. Implemented and failed, just as you asked.



to every red neck voter........zac just made you his bitch


the great DR Phil is quoted as saying " you can predict a persons future by their past "
so why vote for rudd when he will only get knifed again ?

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REM
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Posted - 15 Aug 2013 :  18:31:17  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bundy5

[quote]Originally posted by hml2777

Yep, policies that were implemented and failed and I mean 'failed', I don't mean 'failed to live up to your expectations'



A failed policy is amongst others things but mainly one that costs millions and billions above what it was originally announced to cost. In the alternative, one that doesn't generate anything near the kind of revenue it predicted. Also, one that failed to meet time-frames for implementation and one that doesn't achieve its presumed objectives etc -

let's start with Rudd:

Pink batts - billion over the estimated budget, resulted in the unfortunate deaths of workers
School halls - again massively over budget due to, in part, builders gouging the system and lack of oversight to properly reign in costs both State and Federally.
Stimulus handouts - $900 went to estates of the deceased and went to people overseas when the objective of the stimulus was to hand out money so that the public could spend it immediately and in Australia
Boat people - dismantled effective immigration policy because he underestimated its ability in preventing illegal boat arrivals. 45000 people in Australia have come since.
Carbon Trading System - failed to implement one despite it being 'the greatest moral dilemma facing our generation'

For Gillard whose minority government Rudd leads:

Mining Tax - devised and enacted a tax that collected a minuscule of what it was predicted to collect.
Budget surplus - despite years and years of promising a surplus even as late as for this year's budget we are yet to see a Labor party surplus and won't see one at best till 2016/2017 if we are to believe their figures which given their track record is a highly dubious thing to do.
Carbon Tax - let's forget about the broken promise as bad as that is by itself and will probably cost Labor victory on September 7 but the actual mechanism itself is a failure if it compensates some households
more than what the actual tax is going to cost. It defeats the purpose of the tax in the first place if the net effect means that it isn't going to change households' behaviour towards energy consumption.
Forgot to add in (yep another failure) NBN - will be hugely over budget - NBN co silent on this and the government has been misleading the public over this one - it is known that contractors are struggling to do installations based on the fee that the government is giving them, this has now been increased. So again it is a lie from the Government that the NBN won't come in over budget and over by a large margin.

Finally Legacy - if we are to believe the government's legacy the mining boom is over and it's time to start focusing on other sectors of our economy, we have seen record revenue from mining but we have also seen record spending and what I want to know is where has it all gone?

We are left with debt climbing to 400 billion, 30 billion working deficit and future funds for both health, education and pensions pillaged and we are getting to a point where baby boomers are close to retirement age and will be a huge drag on our tax receipts when they retire.

Labor are famous for leaving a mess for the liberals then to go in after and clean up. After September 7 this will be no different but given the extent of the damage caused, we could be feeling the effects of the clean-up for many years to come.
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Mess?...what the ****! As long as we "Just don't mention the (Iraq) war"....the 22 deaths in Bali, the Cornelia Rau trajedy, deaths in nursing homes, the Siev ix tragedy, knowingly misleading the parliament over the children overboard affair, misleading the parliament over Australians for honest politicians, conspiring against Australian workers, the Tampa crisis, being in co-hoots with Bush-Murdoch and his Neo-Con mates who's unbridled free market ideology caused the ****ing GFC!,being asleep at wheel in a boom and not investing in infrastructure, spiraling cost of living due to GST,...mess.....we are so much better off now....wanna talk waste....baby bonus, first home owners grants ring any bells...sure Rudd and Gillard have dealt with some tough times....but unlike the legacy of the last lost...nobody is calling them a war criminal!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.


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AlbertM
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Posted - 15 Aug 2013 :  19:45:17  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by Zac

We get numbed to the number and size of failed Labor policies, so I can see how people might need reminding. Off the top of my head:

The failure of continued revised policies to control our borders. We've come a long way from Kevin's pre 2007 election promise to turn back boats and stop the trade of people smugglers. We've now had over 50,000 uninvited arrivals with a total cost that I doubt anyone has really calculated. There's a stack of failed policies just there. Julia's East Timor policy, the Malaysian solution etc. We've now got Tony Burke telling us that the rate of arrivals has really slowed since the message got out about Mannus Island to the people smugglers. The numbers show that they're not taking any notice.

Green Loans debacle, Cash for Clunkers failure, Grocery Watch, Fuel Watch, Home Insulation $3.7 billion debacle, the Mining Tax that was to raise billions and raised nothing, live meat export market collapse, GP Superclinics: Remember them? There were going to be 30+, but the scheme got canned at 2. If we regard a 'failed policy' as one that gets canned well before it was due to finish - and with costs going out of control, all of those qualify. I'm sure there's plenty of places on the net where you could find plenty more - and then there's the ones that the government calls successes, like the BER. Yes, schools got lots of halls and COLAs and libraries - but due to the lack of checks and balances and the great haste to get it up and running, there was massive waste - like, billions of dollars waste. While I type, I keep thinking of lots of other little ones. Whatever happened to the 'laptop for every student' idea? Just fell over, I think. Then there's been the talk-fests that went nowhere, etc etc.

The net result is a financial debacle. We have gone from a healthy surplus to around $250 billion debt in six years. Two hundred and fifty thousand million. Wayne Swan (in a rare moment of clarity before he jumped) predicted it would go over $300 billion in the next couple of years. That was a refreshing change from all those budget surpluses he kept predicting. You could say that regularly assuring us that we would have a surplus and then giving us ever bigger deficits is a policy failure. Just a little one. Implemented and failed, just as you asked.



to every red neck voter........zac just made you his bitch


the great DR Phil is quoted as saying " you can predict a persons future by their past "
so why vote for rudd when he will only get knifed again ?



Red necks are conservative voters.

Zac does tell a good story, even if it's just half of it.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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Posted - 15 Aug 2013 :  19:46:03  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford

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Posted - 15 Aug 2013 :  20:43:16  Show Profile  Visit Peak Revs's Homepage Send Peak Revs a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

Mess?...what the ****! As long as we "Just don't mention the (Iraq) war"....the 22 deaths in Bali, the Cornelia Rau trajedy, deaths in nursing homes, the Siev ix tragedy, knowingly misleading the parliament over the children overboard affair, misleading the parliament over Australians for honest politicians, conspiring against Australian workers, the Tampa crisis, being in co-hoots with Bush-Murdoch and his Neo-Con mates who's unbridled free market ideology caused the ****ing GFC!,being asleep at wheel in a boom and not investing in infrastructure, spiraling cost of living due to GST,...mess.....we are so much better off now....wanna talk waste....baby bonus, first home owners grants ring any bells...sure Rudd and Gillard have dealt with some tough times....but unlike the legacy of the last lost...nobody is calling them a war criminal!

very well said rem, how people forget

Edited by - Peak Revs on 15 Aug 2013 20:46:10
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Posted - 15 Aug 2013 :  20:59:28  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
REMy, baby. Let's move into the current decade.

Missing John Winston Howard is fine and understandable - but it's now "A New Way" and... Who's ever seen an avalanche? and... Have you ever engaged in a conquest?
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Posted - 15 Aug 2013 :  21:00:46  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Peak Revs

quote:
Originally posted by REM

Mess?...what the ****! As long as we "Just don't mention the (Iraq) war"....the 22 deaths in Bali, the Cornelia Rau trajedy, deaths in nursing homes, the Siev ix tragedy, knowingly misleading the parliament over the children overboard affair, misleading the parliament over Australians for honest politicians, conspiring against Australian workers, the Tampa crisis, being in co-hoots with Bush-Murdoch and his Neo-Con mates who's unbridled free market ideology caused the ****ing GFC!,being asleep at wheel in a boom and not investing in infrastructure, spiraling cost of living due to GST,...mess.....we are so much better off now....wanna talk waste....baby bonus, first home owners grants ring any bells...sure Rudd and Gillard have dealt with some tough times....but unlike the legacy of the last lost...nobody is calling them a war criminal!

very well said rem, how people forget



Just 124,000 civilian deaths to date caused by Bush, Blair and Howard....that some are prepared to overlook....as someone once said..."blood sucking psychopaths"..indeed!...course if the innocents flee the violence caused by these 3....to this day..they ain't welcome to seek refuge here! The legacy of ghoulish perversity....

Oh sorry Zac...I forgot the Howard mantra...."we've all moved on"....I now hear it every day...from fresh parolees!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



Edited by - REM on 15 Aug 2013 21:02:43
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If Labor is so good Federally can one of the Laborites tell me why their primary vote has gone from around 47% 5years ago down to about 30% now?
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REMy, can I help you move on? This election will be a pretty ordinary election, but it won't be decided over Cornelia Rau, the Tampa affair, George Bush or anything else you regurgitated. It's all suppositories, sex appeal and deeper, more meaningful stuff these days.
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..ahh...but we have the self confessed love child of Howard and Bronwyn Bishop at centre stage.....Mr 'workchoices' himself...remember that? Seems Tony can't...just yet anyways!!!....and surely...the GFC,...the continuing war in Iraq and the related cost spike in oil and the refugees....or boat people as we call them now are still relevant...no? Given who was the author of these current day issues.....

Oh and LG....perhaps Noam's says it best:

"The more you can increase fear of drugs, and crime and welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people" Noam Chomsky...written a few years back....but never more salient and pervasive than now.....no one has peddled more fear and intolerance than Howard and his 'love-child'....Labor has been wedged...and the progressives have abandoned it....the workers fear and bigotry has been stirred up...and they have left as well.....

and so we all return.....to 'yesterdays, small-hearted' man....once more....

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



Edited by - REM on 15 Aug 2013 22:03:13
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Zac you forgot fashion of the moment

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I didn't think it would fit in a list of Labor failures. Someone else might like to do a list of Tony's foot-in-mouth moments.
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not enough band width

but REMs pointed out a heap of failures that he was part of last time he was in the ruling government

I'll add a beauty to it.
When he was health minister IIRC he slashed 1.4 billion from the health budget.
Then there was the capping of university spots and next thing you know we have a doctor and nurse shortage

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quote:
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..ahh...but we have the self confessed love child of Howard and Bronwyn Bishop at centre stage.....Mr 'workchoices' himself...remember that? Seems Tony can't...just yet anyways!!!....and surely...the GFC,...the continuing war in Iraq and the related cost spike in oil and the refugees....or boat people as we call them now are still relevant...no? Given who was the author of these current day issues.....

Oh and LG....perhaps Noam's says it best:

"The more you can increase fear of drugs, and crime and welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people" Noam Chomsky...written a few years back....but never more salient and pervasive than now.....no one has peddled more fear and intolerance than Howard and his 'love-child'....Labor has been wedged...and the progressives have abandoned it....the workers fear and bigotry has been stirred up...and they have left as well.....

and so we all return.....to 'yesterdays, small-hearted' man....once more....



Can you repry in Engrish prease REMY?
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