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Zac
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Posted - 26 Aug 2013 :  15:14:24  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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when the navy spends 12.6 million, most of that goes on wages. Those wages get spent IN AUSTRALIA by the naval personnel. It also covers catering on board the ship, which supports local business. Giving money to foreigners does nothing for our economy.
Funny argument. Most of it doesn't go on wages. Around 42% of the Navy's budget goes on personnel expenses, and around 75% of that is wages. The main reason that personnel expenses are such a large percentage of the Navy budget is because the Navy's budget has been cut ("Cut, cut, cut") over the past six years, reducing the amount spent on investment in capital expenditure - and who knows what Navy personnel spend their wages on anyway. It could be giving money to foreigners, buying VWs, Hyundais, Mazdas, etc., or Samsung, Sanyo, Sharp, etc. Spurious argument rather than 'funny'.

Enough of that. I found some entertaining reading in the SMH today: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smile-youre-on-candidate-camera-20130825-2sjrn.html
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Labor has changed tack and started to put out feel good policies like this one - committing $52 million to a high speed rail connect between Brisbane and Sydney. Only problem is it will cost billions and won't be finished till 2035 at the earliest if it is ever going to be finished. I don't really have too many qualms with it as I think a nation of this size needs a rail network between its capitals, especially on the eastern side as it will reduce the traffic on the roads but as the greens have noted, these kinds of policies are too little, too late for a party that has already immersed itself in negativity.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/kevin-rudd-keeps-high-speed-rail-hope-alive/story-fn9qr68y-1226703995476

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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TONY Abbott's big pitch to blue collar workers will include a new loans scheme for apprentices providing up to $20,000 for young workers.
The Opposition leader will launch his campaign in Brisbane today with a HECS-style loans scheme designed to help buy tools and equipment and encourage apprentices to complete their training.
As a wave of polls continue to confirm Mr Abbott is on track to be elected Prime Minister on September 7, the Coalition will today launch a bold bid to woo Labor's heartland.
Tough guy Tony Abbott's secret is out
The interest-free loans will be available to apprentices in areas of national skill shortages providing up to $20,000 over four years to help them with their costs during their apprenticeship.
Eligible trades will include plumbers, diesel mechanics, electricians, and fitters. The independent Parliamentary Budget Office has costed the scheme at $80 million.
But tradies will be asked to pay back the cash when they start earning more, at the same thresholds as fee-help loans for university students. Currently, university students start paying back their loans through the tax system when their salary hits $49,000.
Tony Abbott's wife Margie to join him on the campaign trail
Apprentices will have a big incentive to complete their apprenticeships - an immediate 20 per cent discount on their Trade Support Loans if they finish their training.
"I want young Australians to be equipped with the skills they need to secure their long term job prospects in a dynamic economy,'' Mr Abbott told The Sunday Telegraph.
"This is about helping Australians start an apprenticeship, stay in an apprenticeship and, importantly, to complete an apprenticeship."
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Crearter Constructions' Braden Carter (right) with apprentice Tim Ducker.
Crearter Constructionsí Braden Carter (right) with apprentice Tim Ducker. Source: News Limited
Debts will not have an interest rate charged but will be indexed annually to the Consumer Price Index to maintain the real value of the debt.
The policy document outlining the scheme states: ``Australia urgently needs more apprentices. We need more young people to take up a trade career to ensure future growth and jobs.''
``Fewer and fewer apprentices are actually completing an apprenticeship once they start. Completion rates are now 48 per cent.''
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd happy to debate Tony Abbott
``Many apprentices face considerable costs when they start their apprenticeships. Standard `tools kits' for plumber, carpentry, automotive and electrician apprenticeships cost about $800 and costs of over $1000 are not uncommon.
``For a first year plumbing apprentice earning roughly $12 an hour, an $800 outlay is a considerable cost and may very well be unachievable given the necessity of funding basic living expenses at the same time.''
The loans will be spread over four years but offer the biggest slice of cash in the early years of an apprenticeship when earnings are at their lowest.
Tony Abbott unveils controversial maternity leave scheme
In the first year, Mr Abbott's tradies loans would offer apprentices $8000 paid in quarterly instalments of $2000.
In the second year, four payments of $1500 would be offered to a maximum of $6000.
Third year apprentices would be eligible for a $4000 top up and in 4th year apprentices could secure $2000 annually.
Loan instalments would immediately stop if apprentices dropped out of training.
The Coalition's Trade Support Loans will only be available to an apprentice who is undertaking a Certificate III or IV qualification that leads to an occupation listed on the National Skills Needs List.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/coalition-leader-tony-abbott-floats-new-loans-scheme-for-apprentices-offering-up-to-20k-for-young-workers/story-fnho52ip-1226703445801#ixzz2d479TlpS

This appears to be one of the more logical things that Tony has thought of and it might offer a little bit of incentive for potential apprentices, and it looks good on paper. However, there is still a slight problem with this incentive. Sure, its all well and good to offer a $20K interest free loan to help with the cost of tools and such, but it misses the point as to why some people are hesitant about getting an a apprenticeship, which is that they do not pay enough money for a first year apprentice and on wards from that. They are offering to tip more money into the old age pension and super, so why not offer to tip more money into apprentice wages. If they did that, there wouldn't be a skills shortage as all of the hopeful apprentices will be in apprenticeships and not at McDonalds earning more than what a first year would earn.
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TONY Abbott's big pitch to blue collar workers will include a new loans scheme for apprentices providing up to $20,000 for young workers.
The Opposition leader will launch his campaign in Brisbane today with a HECS-style loans scheme designed to help buy tools and equipment and encourage apprentices to complete their training.
As a wave of polls continue to confirm Mr Abbott is on track to be elected Prime Minister on September 7, the Coalition will today launch a bold bid to woo Labor's heartland.
Tough guy Tony Abbott's secret is out
The interest-free loans will be available to apprentices in areas of national skill shortages providing up to $20,000 over four years to help them with their costs during their apprenticeship.
Eligible trades will include plumbers, diesel mechanics, electricians, and fitters. The independent Parliamentary Budget Office has costed the scheme at $80 million.
But tradies will be asked to pay back the cash when they start earning more, at the same thresholds as fee-help loans for university students. Currently, university students start paying back their loans through the tax system when their salary hits $49,000.
Tony Abbott's wife Margie to join him on the campaign trail
Apprentices will have a big incentive to complete their apprenticeships - an immediate 20 per cent discount on their Trade Support Loans if they finish their training.
"I want young Australians to be equipped with the skills they need to secure their long term job prospects in a dynamic economy,'' Mr Abbott told The Sunday Telegraph.
"This is about helping Australians start an apprenticeship, stay in an apprenticeship and, importantly, to complete an apprenticeship."
18515844-0c7c-11e3-8e3e-24f3529673f4
Crearter Constructions' Braden Carter (right) with apprentice Tim Ducker.
Crearter Constructionsí Braden Carter (right) with apprentice Tim Ducker. Source: News Limited
Debts will not have an interest rate charged but will be indexed annually to the Consumer Price Index to maintain the real value of the debt.
The policy document outlining the scheme states: ``Australia urgently needs more apprentices. We need more young people to take up a trade career to ensure future growth and jobs.''
``Fewer and fewer apprentices are actually completing an apprenticeship once they start. Completion rates are now 48 per cent.''
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd happy to debate Tony Abbott
``Many apprentices face considerable costs when they start their apprenticeships. Standard `tools kits' for plumber, carpentry, automotive and electrician apprenticeships cost about $800 and costs of over $1000 are not uncommon.
``For a first year plumbing apprentice earning roughly $12 an hour, an $800 outlay is a considerable cost and may very well be unachievable given the necessity of funding basic living expenses at the same time.''
The loans will be spread over four years but offer the biggest slice of cash in the early years of an apprenticeship when earnings are at their lowest.
Tony Abbott unveils controversial maternity leave scheme
In the first year, Mr Abbott's tradies loans would offer apprentices $8000 paid in quarterly instalments of $2000.
In the second year, four payments of $1500 would be offered to a maximum of $6000.
Third year apprentices would be eligible for a $4000 top up and in 4th year apprentices could secure $2000 annually.
Loan instalments would immediately stop if apprentices dropped out of training.
The Coalition's Trade Support Loans will only be available to an apprentice who is undertaking a Certificate III or IV qualification that leads to an occupation listed on the National Skills Needs List.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/coalition-leader-tony-abbott-floats-new-loans-scheme-for-apprentices-offering-up-to-20k-for-young-workers/story-fnho52ip-1226703445801#ixzz2d479TlpS

This appears to be one of the more logical things that Tony has thought of and it might offer a little bit of incentive for potential apprentices, and it looks good on paper. However, there is still a slight problem with this incentive. Sure, its all well and good to offer a $20K interest free loan to help with the cost of tools and such, but it misses the point as to why some people are hesitant about getting an a apprenticeship, which is that they do not pay enough money for a first year apprentice and on wards from that. They are offering to tip more money into the old age pension and super, so why not offer to tip more money into apprentice wages. If they did that, there wouldn't be a skills shortage as all of the hopeful apprentices will be in apprenticeships and not at McDonalds earning more than what a first year would earn.



At least apprentices get paid while they learn CP. People go to university for years are rack up massive HECS (or whatever it's called now) debts without getting paid. They have to find a part time job or have very understanding parents. Kids have to learn to look at the big picture.
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So you won't take the fisherman's word....and you need evidence of what the boat is intended for....hmm......really? Did you read the Guardian article.....the cost of boats will spike....as will the production and demand.....the authorities will get on it.....and it be a massive rort and waste of taxpayers money! This is surely one of the wackiest policies a political party ever dared to release.....Tony's just not hoping we are all really stupid.....he's counting on it!

Read the article: http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics



I understand what you are saying, and if it isn't carried out correctly then it will create a boat building industry over there.

But if the cost to the tax payer at the moment is $12.8million per boat, even if some are stopped cant you see the money we would be saving? I cant see anywhere near the $8.1billion current spend being dried up in fisherman boat sales if its successful, so how is it going to be a massive burden on us taxpayers?

If a fisherman says he has an offer on his boat, shouldn't a sting be set up and capture the smugglers rather than just taking the fishermans word on it and letting the smugglers run free? What does it matter if they go onto a payroll even, the thousands spent on them is far better than the billions on the illegal arrivals? I would of thought stimulating their economy is better than stimulating their criminal world like we are now...

I do admit it sounds like a big task, and if carried out correctly I think its a good thing. If its all talk and not carried out correctly like the current governments way of doing things, it will become a mess and there is every chance of that! Hopefully that wont happen, well thats if there is a change of government in a few weeks.




Ummmmm....Willsy's seems the Indo's have taken offence at Abbott....again! Read the article....cooperation would be a must for this hair brained policy to work.....it's a genuine stinker!

http://mobile.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/indonesia-slams-abbott-boat-plan/story-fnho52ip-1226704467973?from=public_rss

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
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http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/jakarta-hits-out-at-coalitions-crazy-unfriendly-boat-buyback-scheme-20130826-2slsg.html

More criticism of Tony's retard boat scheme. Bucket full of tax payers money to chuck at a few foreigners... but we get some dead old hulls in return. How economically responsible.

Zac, I gather you agree with Tony's idea then. Whatever is spent on the navy, the vast majority of that money stays in Australia or it pays Aussie taxes for imported goods. Tony will now throw away some portion of $420 million by apparently just giving it to poor people - not even an aid program we can monitor!


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Labor has changed tack and started to put out feel good policies like this one - committing $52 million to a high speed rail connect between Brisbane and Sydney. Only problem is it will cost billions and won't be finished till 2035 at the earliest if it is ever going to be finished. I don't really have too many qualms with it as I think a nation of this size needs a rail network between its capitals, especially on the eastern side as it will reduce the traffic on the roads but as the greens have noted, these kinds of policies are too little, too late for a party that has already immersed itself in negativity.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/kevin-rudd-keeps-high-speed-rail-hope-alive/story-fn9qr68y-1226703995476


Problem is Bundy, the way I read this it's a high speed passenger line, not a freight line. In other words, a waste of money. THe Sydney-Canberra link has been investigated before, I think it even got down to a single consortium to build a TGV or ICE style service, but it never happened.

If we are going to invest in rail, it needs to be a Melbourne to Brisbane freight line with branches to major centres along the way. This passenger stuff won't stack up.

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If we are going to invest in rail, it needs to be a Melbourne to Brisbane freight line with branches to major centres along the way. This passenger stuff won't stack up.




Been saying exactly the same thing for years now.

The amount of heavy vehicles rumbling up the Pacific and Hume highways has become an absolute joke.
Surely with a decent rail system we could get a lot of these trucks off the roads



EDIT

Tony Windsor was on Australian Story tonight.
What an absolute legend.
Here's a politician that is his own man. Doesn't fall into line with the parties and has morals.

More than you can say about the Labor, Liberal and National parties who have made a separate industry out of being elected.

If this country had more Tony Windsors and Nick Xenophones and less Labor, liberal and nationals we'd all be better off

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quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

quote:
Originally posted by STP01


If we are going to invest in rail, it needs to be a Melbourne to Brisbane freight line with branches to major centres along the way. This passenger stuff won't stack up.




Been saying exactly the same thing for years now.

The amount of heavy vehicles rumbling up the Pacific and Hume highways has become an absolute joke.
Surely with a decent rail system we could get a lot of these trucks off the roads



EDIT

Tony Windsor was on Australian Story tonight.
What an absolute legend.
Here's a politician that is his own man. Doesn't fall into line with the parties and has morals.

More than you can say about the Labor, Liberal and National parties who have made a separate industry out of being elected.

If this country had more Tony Windsors and Nick Xenophones and less Labor, liberal and nationals we'd all be better off



agreed....Tony Windsor is the real deal....dead set legend! Why is that some conservatives discover their souls when the leave that mob....Fraser, Hewson and Windsor.....so much more than the "mean little people" narrative that previously defined them....

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



Edited by - REM on 26 Aug 2013 21:56:22
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Posted - 26 Aug 2013 :  21:59:15  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by willsy

quote:
Originally posted by REM


So you won't take the fisherman's word....and you need evidence of what the boat is intended for....hmm......really? Did you read the Guardian article.....the cost of boats will spike....as will the production and demand.....the authorities will get on it.....and it be a massive rort and waste of taxpayers money! This is surely one of the wackiest policies a political party ever dared to release.....Tony's just not hoping we are all really stupid.....he's counting on it!

Read the article: http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics



I understand what you are saying, and if it isn't carried out correctly then it will create a boat building industry over there.

But if the cost to the tax payer at the moment is $12.8million per boat, even if some are stopped cant you see the money we would be saving? I cant see anywhere near the $8.1billion current spend being dried up in fisherman boat sales if its successful, so how is it going to be a massive burden on us taxpayers?

If a fisherman says he has an offer on his boat, shouldn't a sting be set up and capture the smugglers rather than just taking the fishermans word on it and letting the smugglers run free? What does it matter if they go onto a payroll even, the thousands spent on them is far better than the billions on the illegal arrivals? I would of thought stimulating their economy is better than stimulating their criminal world like we are now...

I do admit it sounds like a big task, and if carried out correctly I think its a good thing. If its all talk and not carried out correctly like the current governments way of doing things, it will become a mess and there is every chance of that! Hopefully that wont happen, well thats if there is a change of government in a few weeks.




Ummmmm....Willsy's seems the Indo's have taken offence at Abbott....again! Read the article....cooperation would be a must for this hair brained policy to work.....it's a genuine stinker!

http://mobile.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/indonesia-slams-abbott-boat-plan/story-fnho52ip-1226704467973?from=public_rss



Bit like the 'co-operation' from New Guinea for the Ruddster's solution!
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quote:
Originally posted by bundy5

Labor has changed tack and started to put out feel good policies like this one - committing $52 million to a high speed rail connect between Brisbane and Sydney. Only problem is it will cost billions and won't be finished till 2035 at the earliest if it is ever going to be finished. I don't really have too many qualms with it as I think a nation of this size needs a rail network between its capitals, especially on the eastern side as it will reduce the traffic on the roads but as the greens have noted, these kinds of policies are too little, too late for a party that has already immersed itself in negativity.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/kevin-rudd-keeps-high-speed-rail-hope-alive/story-fn9qr68y-1226703995476


Problem is Bundy, the way I read this it's a high speed passenger line, not a freight line. In other words, a waste of money. THe Sydney-Canberra link has been investigated before, I think it even got down to a single consortium to build a TGV or ICE style service, but it never happened.

If we are going to invest in rail, it needs to be a Melbourne to Brisbane freight line with branches to major centres along the way. This passenger stuff won't stack up.




True. More than anything we need to get the trucks off our road.

quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

quote:
Originally posted by STP01


If we are going to invest in rail, it needs to be a Melbourne to Brisbane freight line with branches to major centres along the way. This passenger stuff won't stack up.




Been saying exactly the same thing for years now.

The amount of heavy vehicles rumbling up the Pacific and Hume highways has become an absolute joke.
Surely with a decent rail system we could get a lot of these trucks off the roads



EDIT

Tony Windsor was on Australian Story tonight.
What an absolute legend.
Here's a politician that is his own man. Doesn't fall into line with the parties and has morals.

More than you can say about the Labor, Liberal and National parties who have made a separate industry out of being elected.

If this country had more Tony Windsors and Nick Xenophones and less Labor, liberal and nationals we'd all be better off



agreed....Tony Windsor is the real deal....dead set legend! Why is that some conservatives discover their souls when the leave that mob....Fraser, Hewson and Windsor.....so much more than the "mean little people" narrative that previously defined them....



Don't forget devious and lacking any courage to face the voters that he misled.


To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.

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Originally posted by 27GV

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/jakarta-hits-out-at-coalitions-crazy-unfriendly-boat-buyback-scheme-20130826-2slsg.html

More criticism of Tony's retard boat scheme. Bucket full of tax payers money to chuck at a few foreigners... but we get some dead old hulls in return. How economically responsible.

Zac, I gather you agree with Tony's idea then.
No. I don't know what logic lead you to that conclusion. I don't understand Tony's idea, but election campaigns make pollies say strange things. It's like Kevin's claim that Tony's 'boat policy' could lead to "conflict with Indonesia - a naval showdown" - or even worse, that Vegemite could go up by 56c a jar (complete with jar of Vegemite in hand to illustrate how serious the situation could be).
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quote:
Originally posted by bundy5

quote:
Originally posted by STP01

quote:
Originally posted by bundy5

Labor has changed tack and started to put out feel good policies like this one - committing $52 million to a high speed rail connect between Brisbane and Sydney. Only problem is it will cost billions and won't be finished till 2035 at the earliest if it is ever going to be finished. I don't really have too many qualms with it as I think a nation of this size needs a rail network between its capitals, especially on the eastern side as it will reduce the traffic on the roads but as the greens have noted, these kinds of policies are too little, too late for a party that has already immersed itself in negativity.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/kevin-rudd-keeps-high-speed-rail-hope-alive/story-fn9qr68y-1226703995476


Problem is Bundy, the way I read this it's a high speed passenger line, not a freight line. In other words, a waste of money. THe Sydney-Canberra link has been investigated before, I think it even got down to a single consortium to build a TGV or ICE style service, but it never happened.

If we are going to invest in rail, it needs to be a Melbourne to Brisbane freight line with branches to major centres along the way. This passenger stuff won't stack up.




True. More than anything we need to get the trucks off our road.

quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

quote:
Originally posted by STP01


If we are going to invest in rail, it needs to be a Melbourne to Brisbane freight line with branches to major centres along the way. This passenger stuff won't stack up.




Been saying exactly the same thing for years now.

The amount of heavy vehicles rumbling up the Pacific and Hume highways has become an absolute joke.
Surely with a decent rail system we could get a lot of these trucks off the roads



EDIT

Tony Windsor was on Australian Story tonight.
What an absolute legend.
Here's a politician that is his own man. Doesn't fall into line with the parties and has morals.

More than you can say about the Labor, Liberal and National parties who have made a separate industry out of being elected.

If this country had more Tony Windsors and Nick Xenophones and less Labor, liberal and nationals we'd all be better off



agreed....Tony Windsor is the real deal....dead set legend! Why is that some conservatives discover their souls when the leave that mob....Fraser, Hewson and Windsor.....so much more than the "mean little people" narrative that previously defined them....



Don't forget devious and lacking any courage to face the voters that he misled.





Strange that because that mad arsed Barnaby Joyce said on Australian Story last night that he was line to win the seat again till he decided to retire.
The constituents of that seat will be happy.
Going from one that was looked after to one that will be neglected under Abbott even with the lunatic pin up boy Joyce

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quote:
Originally posted by bundy5

quote:
Originally posted by STP01

quote:
Originally posted by bundy5

Labor has changed tack and started to put out feel good policies like this one - committing $52 million to a high speed rail connect between Brisbane and Sydney. Only problem is it will cost billions and won't be finished till 2035 at the earliest if it is ever going to be finished. I don't really have too many qualms with it as I think a nation of this size needs a rail network between its capitals, especially on the eastern side as it will reduce the traffic on the roads but as the greens have noted, these kinds of policies are too little, too late for a party that has already immersed itself in negativity.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/kevin-rudd-keeps-high-speed-rail-hope-alive/story-fn9qr68y-1226703995476


Problem is Bundy, the way I read this it's a high speed passenger line, not a freight line. In other words, a waste of money. THe Sydney-Canberra link has been investigated before, I think it even got down to a single consortium to build a TGV or ICE style service, but it never happened.

If we are going to invest in rail, it needs to be a Melbourne to Brisbane freight line with branches to major centres along the way. This passenger stuff won't stack up.




True. More than anything we need to get the trucks off our road.

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If we are going to invest in rail, it needs to be a Melbourne to Brisbane freight line with branches to major centres along the way. This passenger stuff won't stack up.




Been saying exactly the same thing for years now.

The amount of heavy vehicles rumbling up the Pacific and Hume highways has become an absolute joke.
Surely with a decent rail system we could get a lot of these trucks off the roads



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Tony Windsor was on Australian Story tonight.
What an absolute legend.
Here's a politician that is his own man. Doesn't fall into line with the parties and has morals.

More than you can say about the Labor, Liberal and National parties who have made a separate industry out of being elected.

If this country had more Tony Windsors and Nick Xenophones and less Labor, liberal and nationals we'd all be better off



agreed....Tony Windsor is the real deal....dead set legend! Why is that some conservatives discover their souls when the leave that mob....Fraser, Hewson and Windsor.....so much more than the "mean little people" narrative that previously defined them....



Must have polled them after the sugar hit that was Rudd when he resumed being PM. Different story now and throughout the period that Gillard was PM IMO.

Don't forget devious and lacking any courage to face the voters that he misled.





Strange that because that mad arsed Barnaby Joyce said on Australian Story last night that he was line to win the seat again till he decided to retire.
The constituents of that seat will be happy.
Going from one that was looked after to one that will be neglected under Abbott even with the lunatic pin up boy Joyce



Another example of Rudd shooting from the hip; this time to bring the Defence base up to Brisbane from Sydney. He has already got a shaky relationship with the Defence chiefs so probably feels, as he always does, that he is just doing the bidding of what is more popular but not necessarily correct or proper use of tax payer's funds. I really have struggled to see a policy in not only his 3 years as PM but labor's 6 which has really been a tough policy to implement in the face of true public backlash

http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/garden-island-naval-base-faces-closure-under-kevin-rudd-20130826-2smcd.html

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.

Edited by - bundy5 on 27 Aug 2013 08:57:14
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Don't forget devious and lacking any courage to face the voters that he misled.



did you watch the documentary or are you just gobbing off like you normally do.

He said he made the decision to not run when he watched a re-run of an interview in which his wife was talking about the death threats they had received and she broke down in tears during the interview

goddam, you think you know everything and sprout off like the oracle you think you are - get your facts before your type your next response
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