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Posted - 29 Aug 2013 :  11:42:26  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Well at least labor insiders and officials had the wits about them to go off the record in that regard but that isn't to say, if results don't go their way on election night, that they will show that sort of restraint then.
do you know how easy it is to write 'labor insiders said", who is going to check them, who is going to challenge them, it would be piss easy to do that and get no challenges.

people believe to much of the **** written and spoken in the media, and it is hard to sort the **** from the clay



But then again you are playing with a journalist's integrity, aren't you? You saying that they are just making it all up - well I guess we will have to wait till election night to see whether these unnamed sources are telling the truth. Knowing the sort of person Rudd is, my bet is that they are.

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.

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Sportsbet are paying out early as Tony Abbott is the favourite to win the election, but what do they do, if they were wrong with their prediction?
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Sportsbet are paying out early as Tony Abbott is the favourite to win the election, but what do they do, if they were wrong with their prediction?



Absorb the loss. They assume the risk as it was their fault that they went early. But in saying that I don't think they have much to worry about.

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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But then again you are playing with a journalist's integrity, aren't you? You saying that they are just making it all up - well I guess we will have to wait till election night to see whether these unnamed sources are telling the truth. Knowing the sort of person Rudd is, my bet is that they are.

of course they make **** up all the time, they have been caught out heaps of times for it, remember the Channel 9 cameraman, jesus it doesn't get much worse than that FFS.

They will say what they need to say to sell

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But then again you are playing with a journalist's integrity, aren't you? You saying that they are just making it all up - well I guess we will have to wait till election night to see whether these unnamed sources are telling the truth. Knowing the sort of person Rudd is, my bet is that they are.

of course they make **** up all the time, they have been caught out heaps of times for it, remember the Channel 9 cameraman, jesus it doesn't get much worse than that FFS.

They will say what they need to say to sell



Not saying that any of those quotes they put in the article aren't true, but to argue that the papers, especially the News papers, will 'say anything to sell' well the majority of their readers want to read this kind of news because they are liberal voters. If they start writing more in the alternative, it's going to start to reduce their readership, so hence less money from advertisers etc.

And this remember is a cheap attack anyway on News from the likes of Hawke considering they were backing Rudd to win in 07 when the majority of the public for about 9 months or so were also backing Rudd in the polls. Short memories I suppose...

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.

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It doesn't matter what the media reports and says between now and Saturday next week. People have stopped listening. Chris Bowen says he's found another hole in the Coalition's figures. Only $10 billion this time. Kevin said last night that our foreign investment laws need tightening up. Last week when he was on about a massive investment of foreign capital in Australia's North that "the balance of foreign investment laws is pretty right." Ho hum. After all the chopping and changing and the announcements of various plans that never materialised over the past six years, people have made up their minds. The three 'debates' went by with hardly a murmur. The major networks didn't even show them on their main channels and the ratings were just a few points above non-existent. Some say Kevin won this one, Tony won that one. Whatever. Nothing changed. Tony Abbott is the least likely Prime Minister in my lifetime - but Prime Minister he will be in just over a week. He's made himself a small target, hasn't made any major goofs, but hasn't done much to show that he's PM material either. Abbott and the Coalition will tighten things up and won't do anything spectacular or even mildly interesting in the next three years. Very uninspiring after the buzz around 'Kevin 07' back when. There's no good reasons I can see to vote Liberal or National, but the present lot have lost the confidence of the electorate for too many reasons to list. Yes, Sportsbet has already paid out to punters who bet on a Coalition win. It's just those who placed bets on the Coalition winnning by 10, 20, 30 or however many seats waiting to see if they collect now.

I'm voting Labor, if only because I live in one of the safest Liberal electorates in the country, and I will not vote for the sitting Liberal member. He'll still get in - unless he suffers a 25% swing against him. It's often said that there's no such thing as an unwinnable election, but for the Ruddster, it's certainly looking that way. Maybe he and his imported election campaign managers can rummage around in the dirt file and find something really, really sensationally awful about a few Libs, or better still, Tony - but Kevin, your time, short as it was, is nearly up.
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Posted - 29 Aug 2013 :  15:27:09  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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It doesn't matter what the media reports and says between now and Saturday next week. People have stopped listening. Chris Bowen says he's found another hole in the Coalition's figures. Only $10 billion this time. Kevin said last night that our foreign investment laws need tightening up. Last week when he was on about a massive investment of foreign capital in Australia's North that "the balance of foreign investment laws is pretty right." Ho hum. After all the chopping and changing and the announcements of various plans that never materialised over the past six years, people have made up their minds. The three 'debates' went by with hardly a murmur. The major networks didn't even show them on their main channels and the ratings were just a few points above non-existent. Some say Kevin won this one, Tony won that one. Whatever. Nothing changed. Tony Abbott is the least likely Prime Minister in my lifetime - but Prime Minister he will be in just over a week. He's made himself a small target, hasn't made any major goofs, but hasn't done much to show that he's PM material either. Abbott and the Coalition will tighten things up and won't do anything spectacular or even mildly interesting in the next three years. Very uninspiring after the buzz around 'Kevin 07' back when. There's no good reasons I can see to vote Liberal or National, but the present lot have lost the confidence of the electorate for too many reasons to list. Yes, Sportsbet has already paid out to punters who bet on a Coalition win. It's just those who placed bets on the Coalition winnning by 10, 20, 30 or however many seats waiting to see if they collect now.

I'm voting Labor , if only because I live in one of the safest Liberal electorates in the country, and I will not vote for the sitting Liberal member. He'll still get in - unless he suffers a 25% swing against him. It's often said that there's no such thing as an unwinnable election, but for the Ruddster, it's certainly looking that way. Maybe he and his imported election campaign managers can rummage around in the dirt file and find something really, really sensationally awful about a few Libs, or better still, Tony - but Kevin, your time, short as it was, is nearly up.



That should make REM happy

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Zac, as much it hurts I agree with much of what you say and I will also be voting Labor for the same reasons as you, but I have always voted Labor

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Bundy, I suppose it goes with the 60% score I gave Kevin and Labor in the 'Vote Compass' interactive online test a week or so back.

FWIW, the Labor Party is closer to my own political beliefs than the Libs. Not that I'm really a Liberal or Labor person - or supporter of any other party. I believe in small government and financial conservatism (just like Kevin and Wayne kept telling us they did), but in most social issues, I'm probably to the left of Labor. It's just that this current 'government' has been almost incapable of living up to the ideals of Labor. Too little talent, too many egos, too many stuff-ups, too many ill-thought-through ideas. Australia says: "Time's up".

EDIT to add: Trev, I always vote how I feel about the candidates at the time. It's funny (well, not really - but coincidental maybe), but I think how I vote is usually how the country votes. I voted for change and Whitlam in '72, I voted for change and Fraser in '75, I voted for change and Hawke in '83, I voted for change and Howard in '96, etc. I just can't bring myself to vote for Alex Hawke in Mitchell this time (or last time either).

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Bundy, I suppose it goes with the 60% score I gave Kevin and Labor in the 'Vote Compass' interactive online test a week or so back.

FWIW, the Labor Party is closer to my own political beliefs than the Libs. Not that I'm really a Liberal or Labor person - or supporter of any other party. I believe in small government and financial conservatism (just like Kevin and Wayne kept telling us they did), but in most social issues, I'm probably to the left of Labor. It's just that this current 'government' has been almost incapable of living up to the ideals of Labor. Too little talent, too many egos, too many stuff-ups, too many ill-thought-through ideas. Australia says: "Time's up".




With the direction that Abbott seems to be taking us on social policy (PPL, matching Labor funding on education, health reforms, preserving carbon tax compensation for families etc), I don't think Abbott will be anything like the conservative that Howard was despite some lefties saying he is, politically speaking, a child of his (and Bishop ). He could be the closest thing to being a true 'liberal' in the sense of, I suppose, a Malcolm Fraser post being PM which is how far I dare to go back on the liberals' side.

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Zac, as much it hurts I agree with much of what you say and I will also be voting Labor for the same reasons as you, but I have always voted Labor



And to think with all your disgust over how the Labor party treated Julia I thought you were going to vote the greens.

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.

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Interestingly there is nothing in our Constitution about 'Parties'

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Interestingly there is nothing in our Constitution about 'Parties'



Predicated on an individual freedom to assemble?

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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It doesn't matter what the media reports and says between now and Saturday next week. People have stopped listening. Chris Bowen says he's found another hole in the Coalition's figures. Only $10 billion this time. Kevin said last night that our foreign investment laws need tightening up. Last week when he was on about a massive investment of foreign capital in Australia's North that "the balance of foreign investment laws is pretty right." Ho hum. After all the chopping and changing and the announcements of various plans that never materialised over the past six years, people have made up their minds. The three 'debates' went by with hardly a murmur. The major networks didn't even show them on their main channels and the ratings were just a few points above non-existent. Some say Kevin won this one, Tony won that one. Whatever. Nothing changed. Tony Abbott is the least likely Prime Minister in my lifetime - but Prime Minister he will be in just over a week. He's made himself a small target, hasn't made any major goofs, but hasn't done much to show that he's PM material either. Abbott and the Coalition will tighten things up and won't do anything spectacular or even mildly interesting in the next three years. Very uninspiring after the buzz around 'Kevin 07' back when. There's no good reasons I can see to vote Liberal or National, but the present lot have lost the confidence of the electorate for too many reasons to list. Yes, Sportsbet has already paid out to punters who bet on a Coalition win. It's just those who placed bets on the Coalition winnning by 10, 20, 30 or however many seats waiting to see if they collect now.

I'm voting Labor , if only because I live in one of the safest Liberal electorates in the country, and I will not vote for the sitting Liberal member. He'll still get in - unless he suffers a 25% swing against him. It's often said that there's no such thing as an unwinnable election, but for the Ruddster, it's certainly looking that way. Maybe he and his imported election campaign managers can rummage around in the dirt file and find something really, really sensationally awful about a few Libs, or better still, Tony - but Kevin, your time, short as it was, is nearly up.



That should make REM happy



You do like to make assumptions....I won't be voting Labor.....and haven't since 1996!

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Even I knew that. I just checked the candidates in Warringah, and you've got Palmer United, Rise Up Australia and the Stable Population Party to choose from.

I was just watching Clarke and Dawe with John Clarke being Tony Abbott. Dawe says "You're getting rid of the carbon tax?" Reply: "Yep. That won't take long. It's not there." The news followed, and the ABC's headline news was about an NRL player found using peptides. I don't remember what came next, but a bit about Tony and Kevin's squabble about that $10 billion came third - along with a piece about Tony watching a netball game. That's how the ABC rates interest in this election.
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Even I knew that. I just checked the candidates in Warringah, and you've got Palmer United, Rise Up Australia and the Stable Population Party to choose from.



Yeah....sad days....mind you.....you'd probably go all of them before voting for Abbott! I long for the days of Godfrey Bigot....closest we have now days to Godfrey...is Mr Abbott!

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