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Trev
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  08:51:17  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
and now Pyne is going back on the Gonski deals with the States, this Government is leaping from one disaster to another

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Originally posted by REM

When you say "more secure at our homes"...do you mean like protecting the future and a clean environment....saving the Great Barrier Reef etc,etc....or do you mean...ensuring we are safe...and building strong relations with a closest neigbours given what has occurred under previous Governments(Bali 2002 etc)...cause...just quitely...... in just the past 2 months and the massive damage already done......it's starting to look like time to hit the panic buttons!!!!



Living costs from home like lower power and water bills, lower food costs, more money in Business to secure peoples jobs rather than taking pay cuts or less hours... that sort of thing REM.


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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-25/industry-funds-warn-axing-super-benefits-will-hit-women/5115352

The Coalition plans to scrap the $500 Low Income Super Contribution for people earning less than $37,000 a year as part of its bill to repeal the mining tax.
The move would cut as much as $27,000 from the retirement savings of 3.5 million Australians, mostly women and young workers, according to the body representing industry funds, Industry Super Australia (ISA).

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Read that all you Liberal voters. The filth you elected only represents Gina and the big miners, not regular Australians.

Remove the ****ing grubs.

One term Tony.


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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  12:12:00  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
That directly affects my wife who is a self employed low income earner, good onya Libs, ya ****en idiots

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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  14:42:13  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/governments-double-gonski-backflip-an-act-of-brazen-politicking-20131126-2y6zx.html

Now that arrogant Prick Pyne refuses to even hear what the Gonski panel has to say. He's just going to destroy all that school funding.

Stealing our children's future. Do these grubs have no limit? Liberals, no vision, all rort.


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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  14:47:19  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
see my post above 27GV

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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  15:12:38  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by willsy

quote:
Originally posted by REM

When you say "more secure at our homes"...do you mean like protecting the future and a clean environment....saving the Great Barrier Reef etc,etc....or do you mean...ensuring we are safe...and building strong relations with a closest neigbours given what has occurred under previous Governments(Bali 2002 etc)...cause...just quitely...... in just the past 2 months and the massive damage already done......it's starting to look like time to hit the panic buttons!!!!



Living costs from home like lower power and water bills, lower food costs, more money in Business to secure peoples jobs rather than taking pay cuts or less hours... that sort of thing REM.



You can support business all you like with less red tape and taxes but if the consumer doesn't walk through the door with cash in hand it's all for nought.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  15:30:44  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by 27GV

Read that all you Liberal voters. The filth you elected only represents Gina and the big miners, not regular Australians.

Remove the ****ing grubs.

One term Tony.
I read all that, even though I didn't vote Liberal. We're seeing democracy at work. Australia voted for the Coalition (or voted "anything other than Labor, more like it), and now the Coalition has its chance to run the country. If the Liberals do only represent "Gina and the big miners", why did so many people vote for them? That's a lot of Ginas and big miners - and their supporters.

FWIW, 12,914,958 people voted in the 2013 election. 5,882,867 voted Coalition, 4,311,341 voted Labor and 1,116,914 voted Greens. That's 1,571,526 more people that voted for the Coalition than voted Labor - and still 454,612 more people voted for the Coalition than Labor and the Greens combined. (There's another 1,603,836 voters who voted Katter, Palmer, Family First or some other single-issue parties or independents too. Lucky they were there, or the Coalition vote would have been a lot bigger. In Palmer's case, that's definitely more votes representing a big miner.) So like it or lump it, and call the government all the names you want - but they're the government, and almost certainly will be for the next 1,000 or so days.

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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  16:22:56  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Zac

quote:
Originally posted by 27GV

Read that all you Liberal voters. The filth you elected only represents Gina and the big miners, not regular Australians.

Remove the ****ing grubs.

One term Tony.
I read all that, even though I didn't vote Liberal. We're seeing democracy at work. Australia voted for the Coalition (or voted "anything other than Labor, more like it), and now the Coalition has its chance to run the country. If the Liberals do only represent "Gina and the big miners", why did so many people vote for them? That's a lot of Ginas and big miners - and their supporters.

FWIW, 12,914,958 people voted in the 2013 election. 5,882,867 voted Coalition, 4,311,341 voted Labor and 1,116,914 voted Greens. That's 1,571,526 more people that voted for the Coalition than voted Labor - and still 454,612 more people voted for the Coalition than Labor and the Greens combined. (There's another 1,603,836 voters who voted Katter, Palmer, Family First or some other single-issue parties or independents too. Lucky they were there, or the Coalition vote would have been a lot bigger. In Palmer's case, that's definitely more votes representing a big miner.) So like it or lump it, and call the government all the names you want - but they're the government, and almost certainly will be for the next 1,000 or so days.



**** off with the sanctimonious mandate crap.

People vote preferentially, so no one "votes Liberal or Labor".

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/barry-ofarrell-criticises-christopher-pyne-over-gonski-20131126-2y7fu.html

Even O'Farrel smells the filth the Liberals are trying to hide from the public. Tony promised no changes to the Gonski funding. Looks like it was yet another lie.

You guys bitched when Labor did anything, now you're singing the praises of Tony when he takes the future of our children.

Where's that double dissolution? Get the lairs out of office.


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Zac
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  16:43:02  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
1) Seeing you speak to me so nicely: You can **** off too.
2) Wrong.
3) O'Farrell doesn't agree with everything the Federal Government is doing. No big deal.
4) You haven't seen me "singing the praises of Tony" anywhere - and you're unlikely to any time soon.
5) I can't see a double dissolution anywhere.
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  16:48:36  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I can tell you, no matter what happens now the idiot will not call a double dissolution, despite promising he would if Labor stuck to their guns on the Carbon Tax, he won't do it as the 'poll's' are not too friendly at the moment and he just might get the arse - LOL

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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  17:22:14  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I don't think Abbott "promised" a double dissolution. He has err... threatened, mentioned, offered it as a possibility, etc., but never promised. It won't happen anyway. There are only a few chances of a double dissolution occurring, and the most likely is the Senate rejecting a bill twice. In this case, it would be the bill to repeal the carbon tax. The government would have to introduce the bill in the Lower House and have it passed. That wouldn't be a problem, and it would then be sent to the Senate. Let's say the Senate then rejects it. It goes back to the Lower House to be debated and amended. After that, it then has to wait three months before it can go back to the Senate. We're up to March at the earliest now. With Christmas in the middle of this, it would be longer than that IMO. We would then be less than three months away from the new Senate - and anyone can see that the new Senate will be somewhat more accommodating than the current one.

Would Abbott risk his majority in the Lower House - and possibly end up with a less accommodating Senate for the sake of a few months? You're right, Trev. The answer is 'NO'.

Edited by - Zac on 26 Nov 2013 17:23:14
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  17:37:43  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by 27GV

quote:
Originally posted by Zac

quote:
Originally posted by 27GV

Read that all you Liberal voters. The filth you elected only represents Gina and the big miners, not regular Australians.

Remove the ****ing grubs.

One term Tony.
I read all that, even though I didn't vote Liberal. We're seeing democracy at work. Australia voted for the Coalition (or voted "anything other than Labor, more like it), and now the Coalition has its chance to run the country. If the Liberals do only represent "Gina and the big miners", why did so many people vote for them? That's a lot of Ginas and big miners - and their supporters.

FWIW, 12,914,958 people voted in the 2013 election. 5,882,867 voted Coalition, 4,311,341 voted Labor and 1,116,914 voted Greens. That's 1,571,526 more people that voted for the Coalition than voted Labor - and still 454,612 more people voted for the Coalition than Labor and the Greens combined. (There's another 1,603,836 voters who voted Katter, Palmer, Family First or some other single-issue parties or independents too. Lucky they were there, or the Coalition vote would have been a lot bigger. In Palmer's case, that's definitely more votes representing a big miner.) So like it or lump it, and call the government all the names you want - but they're the government, and almost certainly will be for the next 1,000 or so days.



**** off with the sanctimonious mandate crap.

People vote preferentially, so no one "votes Liberal or Labor".

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/barry-ofarrell-criticises-christopher-pyne-over-gonski-20131126-2y7fu.html

Even O'Farrel smells the filth the Liberals are trying to hide from the public. Tony promised no changes to the Gonski funding. Looks like it was yet another lie.

You guys bitched when Labor did anything, now you're singing the praises of Tony when he takes the future of our children.

Where's that double dissolution? Get the lairs out of office.



A lie?

Nothing to do with Labor withdrawing the money from the education account then?
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  19:37:00  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by willsy

quote:
Originally posted by REM

When you say "more secure at our homes"...do you mean like protecting the future and a clean environment....saving the Great Barrier Reef etc,etc....or do you mean...ensuring we are safe...and building strong relations with a closest neigbours given what has occurred under previous Governments(Bali 2002 etc)...cause...just quitely...... in just the past 2 months and the massive damage already done......it's starting to look like time to hit the panic buttons!!!!



Living costs from home like lower power and water bills, lower food costs, more money in Business to secure peoples jobs rather than taking pay cuts or less hours... that sort of thing REM.


So with you Willsy.....before the GST I used to eat out once a week with the family or buy chinese takeaway....but that 10% on top really hit us....never mind the 10% on the mechanic bills....and every other damn thing....it's a **** of a legacy left by the Howard administration....and really changed our spending habits! You can get around it by buying goods online from overseas though....much cheaper!

And securing jobs is a priority....everybody wants a secure job...as opposed to a 'flexible employment arrangement'....with minimum protections....and thereby no confidence to spend and stimulate the market....

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
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Posted - 26 Nov 2013 :  22:07:25  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Zac

I don't think Abbott "promised" a double dissolution. He has err... threatened, mentioned, offered it as a possibility, etc., but never promised. It won't happen anyway. There are only a few chances of a double dissolution occurring, and the most likely is the Senate rejecting a bill twice. In this case, it would be the bill to repeal the carbon tax. The government would have to introduce the bill in the Lower House and have it passed. That wouldn't be a problem, and it would then be sent to the Senate. Let's say the Senate then rejects it. It goes back to the Lower House to be debated and amended. After that, it then has to wait three months before it can go back to the Senate. We're up to March at the earliest now. With Christmas in the middle of this, it would be longer than that IMO. We would then be less than three months away from the new Senate - and anyone can see that the new Senate will be somewhat more accommodating than the current one.

Would Abbott risk his majority in the Lower House - and possibly end up with a less accommodating Senate for the sake of a few months? You're right, Trev. The answer is 'NO'.



Not a promise of a DD but he did take a "blood oath" to remove the carbon price.

Will he fall on his sword if he fails?

quote:
If the Liberals do only represent "Gina and the big miners", why did so many people vote for them?
Because they were dumb enough to fall for slogans and no policy.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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