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CP
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Posted - 02 Jun 2014 :  10:40:15  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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http://www.news.com.au/national/drug-tests-if-youre-on-the-dole/story-e6frfkp9-1226938400218

Seems like a good idea (on paper, like all good ideas), but would it work in practice? Sure, they could implement it tomorrow and one job seeker could get cut off for failing a drug test, yet if he/she is a habitual drug user, they can get on the disability pension if they are classed as too impaired to work due to drug use.

Surely it would be more logical to go after the latter more than the former?



I have extensive experience of drug testing and conduct it most weeks.....it's expensive...between $25-$50 per test...what's more...you really only detect THC users as it stays in their system for 5-6 weeks.....in all likelihood this harebrained idea will increase ICE, Heroin and poly drug use.... Also...if you cut off or reduce a drug users social security...how do they finance their activities? But this article is really just another attempt by the Murdoch Press of rich people, telling middle-class people to blame poor people....but maybe that's who Australia is now?...the new USA?



Yes, if you cut their funding off, there could be some adverse effects , but if they're serious about earning money, most will do their best to kick the habit and find a job and turn their life around.

The drug testing won't work because:
A) It generalises that all job seekers are drug users
B) The ones that know that they will fail drug tests every time, will just move to the disability pension as they can claim it for being too impaired (whether it be from drugs or alcohol) to work.

When the Federal Government are looking at tightening how much is paid for through welfare (especially the DSP), it would make more sense to tighten that loophole up and get those people off it, rather than the other way around.



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Posted - 02 Jun 2014 :  21:06:22  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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So you're fine with people being on the dole, not bothering to find work and just trippin' out.
I thought the 60s were looong gone.



Hmmm....maybe not...but shepparding them into harder drugs and thereby committing more crime to eat ain't gunna cut it no?

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
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How about they take some responsibility for their own actions?
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Posted - 02 Jun 2014 :  21:55:04  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
It will cost more to administer than it will contribute to savings, another attempt at controlling the people

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Posted - 02 Jun 2014 :  22:06:22  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by REM

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Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

So you're fine with people being on the dole, not bothering to find work and just trippin' out.
I thought the 60s were looong gone.



Hmmm....maybe not...but shepparding them into harder drugs and thereby committing more crime to eat ain't gunna cut it no?



So what is your solution? The legalisation of 'soft' drugs?

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Education, support and job creation....simple, effective and proven.....but not populace!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
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Education, support and job creation....simple, effective and proven.....but not populace!



Don't think you quite emphasised support enough!

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Education, support and job creation....simple, effective and proven.....but not populace!



Don't think you quite emphasised support enough!



How many have you had to put inside?


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Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
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Posted - 02 Jun 2014 :  23:36:25  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

So you're fine with people being on the dole, not bothering to find work and just trippin' out.
I thought the 60s were looong gone.



Hmmm....maybe not...but shepparding them into harder drugs and thereby committing more crime to eat ain't gunna cut it no?



I'm still confused as to how making them take government forced drug tests will move them to harder drugs. If anything, they will move to the stronger, but legal synthetic variants so they can still claim their welfare.
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Originally posted by CP

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Originally posted by REM

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Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

So you're fine with people being on the dole, not bothering to find work and just trippin' out.
I thought the 60s were looong gone.



Hmmm....maybe not...but shepparding them into harder drugs and thereby committing more crime to eat ain't gunna cut it no?



I'm still confused as to how making them take government forced drug tests will move them to harder drugs. If anything, they will move to the stronger, but legal synthetic variants so they can still claim their welfare.



Urinalysis is costly and time consuming to administer...it tends to detect the substances that linger in the system longer....such as THC which has a 6 week residual....this can be avoided by using chemicals that are gone from the system within 48 as are opioids...but yes synthetic drugs such as chronic have been designed to avoid screening...never mind the Hill Billy heroin and other non-prescribeds....

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



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So here's how the new fees structure will be if you study medicine.



http://www.whatwillmydegreecost.com.au/

Look forward to all your relatives dying due to lack of doctors and thank Abbott for me.

One term Tony is looking dead in the water.


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My wife is in Family Day Care, she went to a meeting last night, they Family Day Care system Australia wide has had the guts cut out of it AND they have re-regulated it in their ****ing budget.

They have re-regulated so that the Government can set the fees that contractor providers (my wife) charge, currently she sets her own fees, the really ****en stupid part is that under the re-regulated scheme she will be getting paid more - this Government are ****en idiots

The logic - they are trying to get rid of some of the FDC schemes as there is too many

He wants paid maternity leave, he deregulates Family Day Care so there is less child care providers in the market, what the **** drugs are these idiots on? More providers means less cost.

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Posted - 05 Jun 2014 :  08:58:24  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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So here's how the new fees structure will be if you study medicine.



http://www.whatwillmydegreecost.com.au/

Look forward to all your relatives dying due to lack of doctors and thank Abbott for me.

One term Tony is looking dead in the water.



Haha! Rubbery figures from a Greens Senator.
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Originally posted by 27GV

So here's how the new fees structure will be if you study medicine.



http://www.whatwillmydegreecost.com.au/

Look forward to all your relatives dying due to lack of doctors and thank Abbott for me.

One term Tony is looking dead in the water.



Haha! Rubbery figures from a Greens Senator.



I'm sure it's going to be hilarious when all those people in the bush die due to lack of GPs. Just keep on laughing at them, mate.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21356882/


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Posted - 05 Jun 2014 :  13:36:27  Show Profile Send bundy5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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My wife is in Family Day Care, she went to a meeting last night, they Family Day Care system Australia wide has had the guts cut out of it AND they have re-regulated it in their ****ing budget.

They have re-regulated so that the Government can set the fees that contractor providers (my wife) charge, currently she sets her own fees, the really ****en stupid part is that under the re-regulated scheme she will be getting paid more - this Government are ****en idiots

The logic - they are trying to get rid of some of the FDC schemes as there is too many

He wants paid maternity leave, he deregulates Family Day Care so there is less child care providers in the market, what the **** drugs are these idiots on? More providers means less cost.



Really? I thought child care places were relatively limited, so government intervention could assist in controlling the fees the providers charge or else the basic logic behind supply and demand would result in the fees forever increasing at a higher rate...

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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