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bigcol
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Originally posted by bundy5

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Originally posted by bigcol

Yep good old Clive

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/clive-palmer-to-use-power-to-set-up-senate-inquiry-into-newman-government/story-fnihsrf2-1226991565570?sv=82ef10744e371869deb584f35e4a2339&&net_sub_uid=76312510



How the tables have turned! Now who is a Clive supporter!

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Originally posted by bigcol

quote:
Originally posted by bundy5

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Originally posted by bigcol


The estimates talk fest is all the proof you need that the LNP have ridden rough shod over all democratic procedures and have totally disrespected the entire Westminster system.



The Westminster system was 'disrespected' all the way back to 1922 when the Labor party abolished the upper house. Anything that has happened since is a mere drop in the ocean compared to that act.

Oh and btw - no one that spoke so severely against Bligh including you and given the improvements in both health and crime and the restructuring of the state's finances (don't forget that Bligh accrued $60 billion dollars worth of debt when our terms of trade were at their best) - would ever vote for Labor again. I can understand you not voting for Newman...I mean you didn't vote for him in 2012 despite the deep flaws in this State and it is clear anyway with anything you say that you won't vote Liberal at any level (except if Turnbull was the federal leader) but it defies belief that you could vote Labor again - you should be independent if anything.

As for balance in the parliament, I bet you were crowing after the 2001 election when Beattie had a similar majority.

Pot kettle black always comes to mind when ever I reflect on your changes of position over the years.



Oh Bundy you're such an easy target. The upper house voted itself into history. It saves us money. It's only when governments like Newmans get power that it becomes a problem.


Who had the numbers though


quote:
Originally posted by bigcol
The best thing that could happen to Australia is if all states consigned themselves to history. The blame games would stop, the duplication would stop and we'd save the tax payer billions.


Well good then you will support Abbott in his efforts to stop the duplication of services between state and federal levels in particular to do with health and education.

I haven't voted Labor at a state level since 2001. In fact I voted for your side in the 2004 state election

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol
Improvements in Crime. On the radio on the Goldy the other day they said there was an increase in break and enters and opportunity crimes.
Depends on who's spin you listen to. Try reading these for starters
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/the-end-justifies-the-means-why-queensland-is-losing-the-bikie-war-20140120-313dc.html

Another furphy of yours -
“Open data crime rates showed overall crime was reduced 3.5 per cent from October 2013 and May 2014”

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/crime-statistics-tell-varying-stories-on-antigang-laws-20140611-zs4fa.html#ixzz37ixTqi7S
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Originally posted by bigcol

The bottom link tells the real story on the Newman governments spin doctoring of the real facts.

Health. You have to be joking. A Wynnum heart attack victim spent 90 minutes in the back of an ambulance going to Ipswich because the PA, Mater, Logan and Royal Brisbane didn't have a spare emergency bed.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/24413415/calls-for-probe-into-lack-of-hospital-beds-in-queensland/

So tell me this. What would have happened if it was a multi vehicle crash with multiple serious injuries.

Then we have this
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/outpatients-say-clearing-cairns-hospitals-surgical-wait-list-is-a-milestone-not-worth-celebrating/story-fnjpusyw-1226977275672

Then the real figures show up
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/outpatient-crisis-leaves-more-than-18000-without-care-at-cairns-and-hinterland-hospital-and-health-service/story-fnjpusyw-1226985105623

Nice selective story sharing – try some real overarching facts that tell the story
Chief Executive of Metro South Health, Dr Richard Ashby said the results showed the impact of this funding decision on semi-urgent and non-urgent surgery.
“The data shows the number of people waiting for these types of surgery is higher because our surgical capacity was reduced,” Dr Ashby said.
“The State Government worked with Metro South Health to restore funding in October 2013. This allowed the re-recruitment of surgical staff and enabled operating rooms and surgical beds to become fully operational by March 2014. Restoring funding for surgical services has made significant inroads to surgery waiting lists.
“Category 1 long-wait patients have now been reduced from a peak of 17.8% of cases in January 2014 to 0% by the end of April. Total long-waits in all categories have reduced by 58% since January and continue to fall.
“Long-waits today number 747, down from a peak of 2,856 in September 2013.”
Dr Ashby said Metro South Health had also recently received increased federal funding for dental services and the extra funds had delivered major improvements to service delivery to the community.
“Oral Health staff have now eliminated the waiting list (from 10,859 patients on the waiting list down to an incredible zero) for patients seeking dental care appointments and expect to provide an extra 40,000 treatments this year,” he said.


http://www.health.qld.gov.au/metrosouth/news/140519-performance.asp


Compared to this -
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/state-election-2012/spin-check-hospital-wait-times-20120308-1unol.html

You tell me which one is better?
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Originally posted by bigcol
On the states finances. Come on you're not that gullible to believe the figures thrown around by the LNP
First it was 115 billion, then it was 85 now you're saying it was 60. Funny that not one economist that has publicly commented on the states finances has agreed with Costellos report or what the Shamble Newman government is claiming today.
In fact if these geniuses are so bright can you please explain why they have added around 15 billion to the debt when they have slashed and burnt everything in sight.
Now before you call out the usual Lieberal rubbish about waste.
The money bought us infrastructure. Something that the LNP haven't but have still put us further in debt.

Who said it was $115 billion? I’ve said it was $60 billion before and it was in 2012 when Labor handed the train wreck over to the LNP. The LNP has had to deal with a slowing national and global economy and in 3 years as compared to six the operating budget will be in the black having been in deficit for $6 billion and debt has finally stabilised to 80 billion as opposed to gaining $10 billion dollars per year for 6 years when our terms of trade were at their best. What a stuff up!
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Originally posted by bigcol

Don't start on the water grid because McArdle was singing it's praises a while ago because they were pumping water to a dry township through it and don't start on the Desal plant either because you've been put in your place with that before as well. With that so called waste they also built new hospitals, new dams and recycled water treatment plant. Something you science non-believers also call waste. Just wait. One day you will be drinking water from that and the desal plant when we get another huge drought.

People just don't understand how close we came to running out of potable water.




I didn’t start on the water grid but since you brought it up as I said before if there was a drought and if the desal plant worked and wasn't a lemon as it is now not even working Beattie would get public praise but since the drought lifted and the desal plant is just a decommissioned mess then it is a disaster and that falls on the person who decided to take on the risk. That is just how it is.

Also about the water grid and more broadly the state buying water assets, I note from a local government perspective and as you ought to know as a ratepayer (probably not in the Redlands as Redlands Water has pretty much seamlessly been brought back under the umbrella of the Council) but it has left a lot of bad taste in people’s mouths because they believe, albeit falsely, that seqwater, unitywater etc have increased prices beyond what they would have done had the state government not chosen to buy the Council’s water assets. Again another mess brought about by Labor’s inability to think things through

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Originally posted by bigcol
All the bus ways were also built by Labor.

They also built bridges across the river to improve peoples access and traffic flow


Yeah by Labor you also mean Newman right?
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Originally posted by bigcol

About 40 billion of the debt is carried by once public owned industries that have been sold off to the QIDC, yet it is still classed as public debt. Add the 3 years of Natural disasters and the 25 billion is halved again.
Yet the LNP have added around 15 billion and not one major piece of infrastructure has been built under their watch

Again you fail to realise that the debt was already substantial before the occurrence of these natural disasters. I suppose you supported Bligh’s electricity sell off too? But I suppose you don’t care considering you have solar
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Originally posted by bigcol

Here's another one for you. The LNP claims the trains now run on time, They forget to tell you that they now take longer from Ipswich than in 1980. They now wait at the stations longer to make the timetable. More fudging of the figures

There's a reason why I didn't vote for Can Do nothing.

Better than what Labor ever delivered -
http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2013/10/22/200-extra-train-services-a-day
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Originally posted by bigcol
Under his leadership, while the Lord Mayor of the Brisbane City council he amassed billions of dollars of debt.
In Quirks last budget the third biggest ticket item of spending was servicing Shamble Newmans Debt. 115 million dollars a year in interest alone.

I don’t understand – again your double standards are appalling. You celebrate Labor’s so-called great infrastructure achievements while accruing a massive level of debt but you lambast Newman for doing the same for Brisbane – I don’t know what else to say??
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Originally posted by bigcol
So Bundy your side is no better than the other when it comes to debt but when it comes to the rights of the people, due process, accountability, openness and governing for all Qlders the LNP don't have a clue.
Better move out that Glass house Bundy because you defend everything Coalition/LNP and then whinge about it if Labor do it or have done it



I’ve shot down every argument you have about why you think the LNP can’t govern yet you will vote for Labor. I now know why Bligh got re-elected in 2009.




It's pretty scary when Clive thinks more about the people in the street than the coalition and the LNP.

Yes the ALP did have the numbers to vote themselves out of the upper house and not even an LNP troll like you can deny that it only becomes a problem when you have governments like the LNP is.
Supporting Abbott will never happen. Although cutting duplication should happen.
Abbotts all about cutting jobs. Nothing to do with stopping duplication.
Take the tax office for instance.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fewer-ato-jobs-may-cost-1b-in-revenue-20140714-3bxab.html

If the states were abolished we wouldn't have duplication in the first place.

On crime. Another Purphy of mine. That's as funny as.
I'm not the ones like Shambles and boy blunder Jarrod Blaahahhh saying that crime has been reduced by 50%. The real figure was 3.5 and with the amount of extra Police on the beat, i'm not surprised and don't say it was just the LNP increasing numbers because Bligh had also started increasing number. Your link even proves what I said.
Nothing but more useless spin from the LNP


On health Dr Ashby is a doctor all right a spin doctor.
Government media can't be trusted. It is after all written by you guessed it the spin doctors
Once again we have the LNP making claims that simply aren't true.
Cairns post has shown the LNP hasn't done what it's claiming.
The Wynnum heart attack victim is another case.
You must have also missed the report on Ch9 about 2 weeks ago about Ambulance ramping. Funny but they were lined up at the rear entry not out the front and it took a helicopter to find them.
I have first hand experience about waiting lists.
June 2012 I went to the doctor for a referral to get snipped. He said we'll send to the Redlands it won't cost you anything. A week later I got a letter, stating they had received the referral and I would be contacted with a procedure date and a reference number.
Guess what, last week I went back and got a referral to do it privately because I still haven't received anything regarding the procedure from QLD health.
I'm not for one minute saying that the ALP was perfect.
What I am saying is this government, yes, has improved things but like their crime claims they are wildly exaggerated.

On finances. Newman and the LNP originally claimed it was 115 billion, Then they said 85 yet even if you include debt for companies that are now owned by the QIDC it was never that high.
They've added to it yet it's still 85 billion.
They claimed all of this from Costellos lies. Find one economist that has publicly commented on this that agrees with the BS report.
The LNP didn't haven't to deal with ****. The GFC along with the natural disasters hammered QLD finances. Yet the money actually bought us something.

Tell me why these economic masterminds have added over 12 billion to the debt and we don't have one new bit of infrastructure for it.

I've explained it to cock smokers like you on more than one occasion about how grave our water supplies issues were. I'm not going to do it again. Just think about this for minute. We've had below average rainfall for around 2 years now. Outside it looks like a desert the grass is so brown. They're also predicting another El Nino.
With how bizarre the weather(thunder storms in the middle of winter around here isn't normal) has been lately you might be owing Beattie and apology sooner rather than later.
The water grid has been used to supply drought stricken towns already and the Desal plant was running at 66% capacity during the Brisbane floods due to the My Crosby Water plant clogging up with silt.
Decommissioned you know jack ****. It only takes hours to ramp up the capacity of that plant.
As far as the state taking over water assets that's another thing you've got wrong.
Apart from the Redlands ensuring their own water supply and Jim Soorley increasing Wivenhoes capacity as well as increasing the flood capacity not one council in the Sth East did anything to ensure it's water supply. Every other council pocketed the money raised through water charges and very little was spent on future proofing it.
Those same councils didn't even increase capacity to match the increase in population. The councils failed miserably and the state took over the water assets to make sure the money was spent in the correct area rather than landscaping a park or being wasted on some junket by council officers.
They took it off the councils because they couldn't be trusted.
Gold Coast was a classic example. They'd been arguing amongst themselves for over 25 years over lifting the Hinze dam.

On Busways and bridges. The BCC didn't fund these projexts the state government did.
All we got from Newman was a bunch of yellow bikes that very few use and that cost us over 5 grand each.

On finances again. Yes there was debt before the natural disasters. Never said there wasn't. The GFC slowed the economy there was less royalties, less revenue coming in. Natural disasters blew an even bigger hole in the economy through the damage and lost revenues.
I will never support any government that's sells off money making assets. That's why she never got my vote.
The way this government is blaming every one but itself on the electricity prices even if I wasn't getting a cent out of the feed in tariff i'd still put solar on my roof. Takes away having to put up with a bunch of lying politicians

The LNP have just handed us another 14% rise in electricity costs. So much for one of their election promises about stopping the cost of living increases

On trains. So once again who do you believe. The LNP claimed another 1000 services. Yet your article only states 200.
That was also in the pipeline by the Bligh government before the election.

On Newman and his BCC legacy. Well where's all the useful infrastructure Newman gave Brisbane for his 2 billion dollar debt.
To use dim Tim Nichols analogy that's 2 million dollars every week that isn't used doing the things council should be doing.
You've been banging on about Labor waste since your snotty little face showed up here. Yet the one harping the most is one of the worst offenders and you call it waste and i'm calling you on it because we got lots of things built and re-built for the money.
Your lot have added around 15 billion and what have we got to show for it? Five eights of **** all.

Apart from the load in your pants you haven't shot down ****





EDIT.
Remember this. Bundy said it was a courier mail beat up at the time.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/exqueensland-mp-scott-driscolls-wife-emma-to-stand-trial-for-fraud-20140717-zty3w.html

ONLY LITTLE BOYZ WEAR BOWTIES

Edited by - bigcol on 18 Jul 2014 10:29:27
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Credit where credit is due, Abbott didn't mince his words condemning the terrorist sponsoring Russians for aiding terrorists to kill 27 Aussies on MH17.

I hope he takes concrete action. Ban them from travelling here until the terrorists face justice.


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Originally posted by bigcol

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Originally posted by bundy5

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Originally posted by bigcol

Yep good old Clive

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/clive-palmer-to-use-power-to-set-up-senate-inquiry-into-newman-government/story-fnihsrf2-1226991565570?sv=82ef10744e371869deb584f35e4a2339&&net_sub_uid=76312510



How the tables have turned! Now who is a Clive supporter!

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Originally posted by bigcol

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Originally posted by bundy5

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Originally posted by bigcol


The estimates talk fest is all the proof you need that the LNP have ridden rough shod over all democratic procedures and have totally disrespected the entire Westminster system.



The Westminster system was 'disrespected' all the way back to 1922 when the Labor party abolished the upper house. Anything that has happened since is a mere drop in the ocean compared to that act.

Oh and btw - no one that spoke so severely against Bligh including you and given the improvements in both health and crime and the restructuring of the state's finances (don't forget that Bligh accrued $60 billion dollars worth of debt when our terms of trade were at their best) - would ever vote for Labor again. I can understand you not voting for Newman...I mean you didn't vote for him in 2012 despite the deep flaws in this State and it is clear anyway with anything you say that you won't vote Liberal at any level (except if Turnbull was the federal leader) but it defies belief that you could vote Labor again - you should be independent if anything.

As for balance in the parliament, I bet you were crowing after the 2001 election when Beattie had a similar majority.

Pot kettle black always comes to mind when ever I reflect on your changes of position over the years.



Oh Bundy you're such an easy target. The upper house voted itself into history. It saves us money. It's only when governments like Newmans get power that it becomes a problem.


Who had the numbers though


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Originally posted by bigcol
The best thing that could happen to Australia is if all states consigned themselves to history. The blame games would stop, the duplication would stop and we'd save the tax payer billions.


Well good then you will support Abbott in his efforts to stop the duplication of services between state and federal levels in particular to do with health and education.

I haven't voted Labor at a state level since 2001. In fact I voted for your side in the 2004 state election

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Originally posted by bigcol
Improvements in Crime. On the radio on the Goldy the other day they said there was an increase in break and enters and opportunity crimes.
Depends on who's spin you listen to. Try reading these for starters
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/the-end-justifies-the-means-why-queensland-is-losing-the-bikie-war-20140120-313dc.html

Another furphy of yours -
“Open data crime rates showed overall crime was reduced 3.5 per cent from October 2013 and May 2014”

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/crime-statistics-tell-varying-stories-on-antigang-laws-20140611-zs4fa.html#ixzz37ixTqi7S
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Originally posted by bigcol

The bottom link tells the real story on the Newman governments spin doctoring of the real facts.

Health. You have to be joking. A Wynnum heart attack victim spent 90 minutes in the back of an ambulance going to Ipswich because the PA, Mater, Logan and Royal Brisbane didn't have a spare emergency bed.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/24413415/calls-for-probe-into-lack-of-hospital-beds-in-queensland/

So tell me this. What would have happened if it was a multi vehicle crash with multiple serious injuries.

Then we have this
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/outpatients-say-clearing-cairns-hospitals-surgical-wait-list-is-a-milestone-not-worth-celebrating/story-fnjpusyw-1226977275672

Then the real figures show up
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/outpatient-crisis-leaves-more-than-18000-without-care-at-cairns-and-hinterland-hospital-and-health-service/story-fnjpusyw-1226985105623

Nice selective story sharing – try some real overarching facts that tell the story
Chief Executive of Metro South Health, Dr Richard Ashby said the results showed the impact of this funding decision on semi-urgent and non-urgent surgery.
“The data shows the number of people waiting for these types of surgery is higher because our surgical capacity was reduced,” Dr Ashby said.
“The State Government worked with Metro South Health to restore funding in October 2013. This allowed the re-recruitment of surgical staff and enabled operating rooms and surgical beds to become fully operational by March 2014. Restoring funding for surgical services has made significant inroads to surgery waiting lists.
“Category 1 long-wait patients have now been reduced from a peak of 17.8% of cases in January 2014 to 0% by the end of April. Total long-waits in all categories have reduced by 58% since January and continue to fall.
“Long-waits today number 747, down from a peak of 2,856 in September 2013.”
Dr Ashby said Metro South Health had also recently received increased federal funding for dental services and the extra funds had delivered major improvements to service delivery to the community.
“Oral Health staff have now eliminated the waiting list (from 10,859 patients on the waiting list down to an incredible zero) for patients seeking dental care appointments and expect to provide an extra 40,000 treatments this year,” he said.


http://www.health.qld.gov.au/metrosouth/news/140519-performance.asp


Compared to this -
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/state-election-2012/spin-check-hospital-wait-times-20120308-1unol.html

You tell me which one is better?
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Originally posted by bigcol
On the states finances. Come on you're not that gullible to believe the figures thrown around by the LNP
First it was 115 billion, then it was 85 now you're saying it was 60. Funny that not one economist that has publicly commented on the states finances has agreed with Costellos report or what the Shamble Newman government is claiming today.
In fact if these geniuses are so bright can you please explain why they have added around 15 billion to the debt when they have slashed and burnt everything in sight.
Now before you call out the usual Lieberal rubbish about waste.
The money bought us infrastructure. Something that the LNP haven't but have still put us further in debt.

Who said it was $115 billion? I’ve said it was $60 billion before and it was in 2012 when Labor handed the train wreck over to the LNP. The LNP has had to deal with a slowing national and global economy and in 3 years as compared to six the operating budget will be in the black having been in deficit for $6 billion and debt has finally stabilised to 80 billion as opposed to gaining $10 billion dollars per year for 6 years when our terms of trade were at their best. What a stuff up!
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Originally posted by bigcol

Don't start on the water grid because McArdle was singing it's praises a while ago because they were pumping water to a dry township through it and don't start on the Desal plant either because you've been put in your place with that before as well. With that so called waste they also built new hospitals, new dams and recycled water treatment plant. Something you science non-believers also call waste. Just wait. One day you will be drinking water from that and the desal plant when we get another huge drought.

People just don't understand how close we came to running out of potable water.




I didn’t start on the water grid but since you brought it up as I said before if there was a drought and if the desal plant worked and wasn't a lemon as it is now not even working Beattie would get public praise but since the drought lifted and the desal plant is just a decommissioned mess then it is a disaster and that falls on the person who decided to take on the risk. That is just how it is.

Also about the water grid and more broadly the state buying water assets, I note from a local government perspective and as you ought to know as a ratepayer (probably not in the Redlands as Redlands Water has pretty much seamlessly been brought back under the umbrella of the Council) but it has left a lot of bad taste in people’s mouths because they believe, albeit falsely, that seqwater, unitywater etc have increased prices beyond what they would have done had the state government not chosen to buy the Council’s water assets. Again another mess brought about by Labor’s inability to think things through

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Originally posted by bigcol
All the bus ways were also built by Labor.

They also built bridges across the river to improve peoples access and traffic flow


Yeah by Labor you also mean Newman right?
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Originally posted by bigcol

About 40 billion of the debt is carried by once public owned industries that have been sold off to the QIDC, yet it is still classed as public debt. Add the 3 years of Natural disasters and the 25 billion is halved again.
Yet the LNP have added around 15 billion and not one major piece of infrastructure has been built under their watch

Again you fail to realise that the debt was already substantial before the occurrence of these natural disasters. I suppose you supported Bligh’s electricity sell off too? But I suppose you don’t care considering you have solar
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Originally posted by bigcol

Here's another one for you. The LNP claims the trains now run on time, They forget to tell you that they now take longer from Ipswich than in 1980. They now wait at the stations longer to make the timetable. More fudging of the figures

There's a reason why I didn't vote for Can Do nothing.

Better than what Labor ever delivered -
http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2013/10/22/200-extra-train-services-a-day
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Originally posted by bigcol
Under his leadership, while the Lord Mayor of the Brisbane City council he amassed billions of dollars of debt.
In Quirks last budget the third biggest ticket item of spending was servicing Shamble Newmans Debt. 115 million dollars a year in interest alone.

I don’t understand – again your double standards are appalling. You celebrate Labor’s so-called great infrastructure achievements while accruing a massive level of debt but you lambast Newman for doing the same for Brisbane – I don’t know what else to say??
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Originally posted by bigcol
So Bundy your side is no better than the other when it comes to debt but when it comes to the rights of the people, due process, accountability, openness and governing for all Qlders the LNP don't have a clue.
Better move out that Glass house Bundy because you defend everything Coalition/LNP and then whinge about it if Labor do it or have done it



I’ve shot down every argument you have about why you think the LNP can’t govern yet you will vote for Labor. I now know why Bligh got re-elected in 2009.




It's pretty scary when Clive thinks more about the people in the street than the coalition and the LNP.

Yes the ALP did have the numbers to vote themselves out of the upper house and not even an LNP troll like you can deny that it only becomes a problem when you have governments like the LNP is.
Supporting Abbott will never happen. Although cutting duplication should happen.
Abbotts all about cutting jobs. Nothing to do with stopping duplication.
Take the tax office for instance.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fewer-ato-jobs-may-cost-1b-in-revenue-20140714-3bxab.html


Thanks what Abbott is doing with ATO has very little to do with Newman

If the states were abolished we wouldn't have duplication in the first place.
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On crime. Another Purphy of mine. That's as funny as.
I'm not the ones like Shambles and boy blunder Jarrod Blaahahhh saying that crime has been reduced by 50%. The real figure was 3.5 and with the amount of extra Police on the beat, i'm not surprised and don't say it was just the LNP increasing numbers because Bligh had also started increasing number. Your link even proves what I said.
Nothing but more useless spin from the LNP


Thanks for confirming what I referred to in my link.
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On health Dr Ashby is a doctor all right a spin doctor.
Government media can't be trusted. It is after all written by you guessed it the spin doctors
Once again we have the LNP making claims that simply aren't true.
Cairns post has shown the LNP hasn't done what it's claiming.
The Wynnum heart attack victim is another case.
You must have also missed the report on Ch9 about 2 weeks ago about Ambulance ramping. Funny but they were lined up at the rear entry not out the front and it took a helicopter to find them.
I have first hand experience about waiting lists.
June 2012 I went to the doctor for a referral to get snipped. He said we'll send to the Redlands it won't cost you anything. A week later I got a letter, stating they had received the referral and I would be contacted with a procedure date and a reference number.
Guess what, last week I went back and got a referral to do it privately because I still haven't received anything regarding the procedure from QLD health.
I'm not for one minute saying that the ALP was perfect.
What I am saying is this government, yes, has improved things but like their crime claims they are wildly exaggerated.


Well I suppose you made my point in your final line. Ultimately, there are going to be issues with any state health system but whether it is isolated is another thing and not something that is indicative of a systematic health failure. The statistics prove that they are isolated issues and the overall results of the health system show it is in good nick.
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On finances. Newman and the LNP originally claimed it was 115 billion, Then they said 85 yet even if you include debt for companies that are now owned by the QIDC it was never that high.
They've added to it yet it's still 85 billion.
They claimed all of this from Costellos lies. Find one economist that has publicly commented on this that agrees with the BS report.
The LNP didn't haven't to deal with ****. The GFC along with the natural disasters hammered QLD finances. Yet the money actually bought us something.

Tell me why these economic masterminds have added over 12 billion to the debt and we don't have one new bit of infrastructure for it.


You will have to provide me a link to the claimed $115 billion dollars’ worth of debt.
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I've explained it to cock smokers like you on more than one occasion about how grave our water supplies issues were. I'm not going to do it again. Just think about this for minute. We've had below average rainfall for around 2 years now. Outside it looks like a desert the grass is so brown. They're also predicting another El Nino.
With how bizarre the weather(thunder storms in the middle of winter around here isn't normal) has been lately you might be owing Beattie and apology sooner rather than later.
The water grid has been used to supply drought stricken towns already and the Desal plant was running at 66% capacity during the Brisbane floods due to the My Crosby Water plant clogging up with silt.
Decommissioned you know jack ****. It only takes hours to ramp up the capacity of that plant.
As far as the state taking over water assets that's another thing you've got wrong.
Apart from the Redlands ensuring their own water supply and Jim Soorley increasing Wivenhoes capacity as well as increasing the flood capacity not one council in the Sth East did anything to ensure it's water supply. Every other council pocketed the money raised through water charges and very little was spent on future proofing it.
Those same councils didn't even increase capacity to match the increase in population. The councils failed miserably and the state took over the water assets to make sure the money was spent in the correct area rather than landscaping a park or being wasted on some junket by council officers.
They took it off the councils because they couldn't be trusted.
Gold Coast was a classic example. They'd been arguing amongst themselves for over 25 years over lifting the Hinze dam.


Give beattie an apology? When hell freezes over



To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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20% swing to ALP!! The LNP support is crashing....


http://www.smh.com.au/queensland/labor-wins-20-swing-in-stafford-byelection-20140719-zuvom.html



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That was always going to happen REM.
I think it's more of a vote against Newman than a vote for the ALP.
Same outcome I know but...
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Zac has said it many times before and I have to say I whole heartedly agree with him.

We don't vote governments in. We vote bad governments out.

18.6% swing against the LNP and that's without the antics of a corrupt Scott Driscoll and his wide in Redcliffe.

Although they did have to contend with the Chris Davis problem. That was the LNPs own making.
Chris Davis is a man of integrity and his integrity was questioned by the very side he was representing in Stafford.

The cracks are appearing in the LNP as a lot of them, according to the Sunday Mail have labelled the blame firmly on Newman.

Like I've posted before. They tell us they are listening but then pick fights with the general public.
They tell us we're transparent but back date legislation to protect Quarry owners illegally operating at the head waters of the Brisbane river.
They appoint a Chief Justice who isn't anywhere near qualified to do the job but he was part and parcel of the attempts of the Borbidge LNP government to discredit and tear apart the Criminal Mis-conduct Commission, that late become the CJC.

They are hell bent on asset sales and that was one of the reasons why Bligh got what she deserved

This government stinks and it will be heading for the opposition benches if it doesn't change it's tune real fast

An 18% swing will see it lose all but the country held seats. Which is a shame because the biggest handicap to the LNP is all the dead wood hayseed hicks from the old National party.

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No Bligh got what she deserved because she didn't tell anyone before the 2009 election that she was going to sell assets. At least Newman is putting it to the people before the next election

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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and that will make how much difference??

People want their assets owned by the people not rich LNP benefactors

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and that will make how much difference??

People want their assets owned by the people not rich LNP benefactors



Something about responsible government, democracy etc

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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and that will make how much difference??

People want their assets owned by the people not rich LNP benefactors



Something about responsible government, democracy etc



Yep....and after the train wreck that is the Abbott Govt wreaking (non pre election disclosed) havoc on health, education and welfare....we need all the democracy before an election we can get!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
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and that will make how much difference??

People want their assets owned by the people not rich LNP benefactors



Something about responsible government, democracy etc



Yep....and after the train wreck that is the Abbott Govt wreaking (non pre election disclosed) havoc on health, education and welfare....we need all the democracy before an election we can get!



Don't worry the people who voted for him would have known that there would have had to be changes to health, education and welfare given all the fix the budget speeches, slogans etc

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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Originally posted by bundy5

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

and that will make how much difference??

People want their assets owned by the people not rich LNP benefactors



Something about responsible government, democracy etc



Yep....and after the train wreck that is the Abbott Govt wreaking (non pre election disclosed) havoc on health, education and welfare....we need all the democracy before an election we can get!



Don't worry the people who voted for him would have known that there would have had to be changes to health, education and welfare given all the fix the budget speeches, slogans etc



Going by the disasterous change in polls since he was elected.....I'm guessing you are once again.....out of touch!

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Originally posted by REM

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Originally posted by bundy5

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and that will make how much difference??

People want their assets owned by the people not rich LNP benefactors



Something about responsible government, democracy etc



Yep....and after the train wreck that is the Abbott Govt wreaking (non pre election disclosed) havoc on health, education and welfare....we need all the democracy before an election we can get!



Don't worry the people who voted for him would have known that there would have had to be changes to health, education and welfare given all the fix the budget speeches, slogans etc



Going by the disasterous change in polls since he was elected.....I'm guessing you are once again.....out of touch!



Or the swinging voters didn't realise why they voted him in for

To respond to Bruce in the NRL thread: it is probably the single hardest loss I have had to deal with at Souths to lose Bully. Much worse than Sam Burgess as he didn't symbolise Souths as Bully did. I think a lot will underestimate just how much a loss he will be to Souths but I fully understand how engrossed he is with NZ and I think given that he will make the successful transition that others haven't.
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They know why they voted him in and they have gotten some of things they promised but also have got the exact opposite of what they said

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