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Zac
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Posted - 13 Nov 2015 :  07:58:49  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Oh, not again. Cya next time.
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Posted - 13 Nov 2015 :  11:39:23  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
you know Zac, there are far more important things in the world and in my personal life to worry about than come on here and debate semantics, I really can't be ****ed right now

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Zac
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Posted - 13 Nov 2015 :  13:33:03  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
No worries - and no surprises. Catch you the next time that you can be.
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Posted - 13 Nov 2015 :  15:49:44  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by CP

Why are people making such a fuss about The Government wanting to increase the GST to 15%?

It's not like they are adding an extra fifteen percent to the purchase price, instead they are taking an extra 5% out of the existing price.



Only got to look back to the carbon tax. Added 0.8% to overall living costs and people couldn't handle it.

I think the biggest question is. The most vocal against the carbon tax that increased energy bills 9% are strangely silent for a 5% increase on all purchases.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 14 Nov 2015 :  17:30:53  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Pity that neither major party is approaching the issue of Islamic terrorism the right way. The Islamic problem is why I'm no longer voting Greens so T1 will be happy.


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Posted - 15 Nov 2015 :  13:02:33  Show Profile Send bigcol a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Bill No Term has to go.

The only thing that got the worst PM in Australia's history elected was the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd debacle.

Bill No Term can't rely on another leadership from the Noalition.

Albo, Bourke no chance.
I'd give Pilberseck a go

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Trickyonne
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Posted - 15 Nov 2015 :  13:43:42  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by bigcol

Bill No Term has to go.

The only thing that got the worst PM in Australia's history elected was the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd debacle.

Bill No Term can't rely on another leadership from the Noalition.

Albo, Bourke no chance.
I'd give Pilberseck a go



I agree, what I don't understand is why the libs havnt called an election now while Mal is cruising in his honeymoon period before the ALP dump Bill and put in pilberseck who will smash the libs IMO

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Posted - 15 Nov 2015 :  14:18:38  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

Bill No Term has to go.

The only thing that got the worst PM in Australia's history elected was the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd debacle.

Bill No Term can't rely on another leadership from the Noalition.

Albo, Bourke no chance.
I'd give Pilberseck a go




I agree, what I don't understand is why the libs havnt called an election now while Mal is cruising in his honeymoon period before the ALP dump Bill and put in pilberseck who will smash the libs IMO



I think the election isn't due until late 2016. To call one now is a waste of time and my money.

Edited by - Legendary Gerry on 16 Nov 2015 13:49:14
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Shorten is a failure and all his policies are lead by the Greens. The Greens in turn have abandoned every single one of their traditional left wing policies to defend Islam and Islamic refugees instead.

As a traditional leftist who believes in LGBT rights, women's rights, the environment, drug decriminalization, the betrayal by the Greens in supporting an ideology that categorically attacks all those leftist messages, it leaves me no choice but to put them near last on the next ballot and every one following.

**** Shorten and **** the Greens, hopefully they are kicked out of parliament by anti-Islam parties and we can return to sanity on the left wing via electoral pain.


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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  06:50:22  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Are we going to have to change the title of this thread to include the new reported party, the AMP?
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Trickyonne
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  12:55:00  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Are we going to have to change the title of this thread to include the new reported party, the AMP?


is that the one 27gv is switched to ?

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Zac
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  14:23:15  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by 27GV

As a traditional leftist who believes in LGBT rights, women's rights, the environment, drug decriminalization, the betrayal by the Greens in supporting an ideology that categorically attacks all those leftist messages, it leaves me no choice but to put them near last on the next ballot and every one following.
They're all noble causes, 27GV (although you'd have to clarify drug decriminalisation), but IMHO they're not the major issues - and leaving the Left to support some anti-Islam party puts you amongst the loony Right. Don't you think it would be better to support the party that best represents most of your interests? We don't know what any anti-Islam party's policies on issues other than being anti-Islam would be, but like most one-issue parties, they wouldn't be well thought out, and would be well to the Right of you. Be true to yourself and stay on the Left and try to change the Greens and Labor's views and policies that you don't support. You certainly won't be the only one.

PS to LG: It's getting messy with more of these one-issue parties. We're getting a couple of anti-Islam parties at the same time as a pro-Islam party.

http://riseupaustraliaparty.com/

http://www.smh.com.au/national/new-aussie-antiislamic-party-guns-for-20-per-cent-of-the-vote-20150731-giol8k.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-16/new-australian-muslim-party-confident-of-election-run/6946152

Not forgetting of course, the 'Love Australia or Leave' party.



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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  18:49:39  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

Are we going to have to change the title of this thread to include the new reported party, the AMP?



Ha ha trust the Muslims to form a party today. Confirmed my fears completely.

T1, I'm voting for the Geert Wilders supported one which is pretty centrist on other issues.


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Zac
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  19:47:01  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Everything is relative.

'Rise Up Australia Party' quotes from its leader:

"We oppose multi-culturalism and aim to preserve Australia's Judeo-Christian heritage."
"Homosexuals can be turned back to heterosexual relationships through education and through Christ."
"Australia's coal-fired power stations are 42% energy efficient. We plan to repeal the carbon tax if elected."
"We plan to overhaul Australia's media content laws by restricting immoral content."

I guess they decide what is "immoral", and how to encourage the support of the millions of Australians who aren't of Judeo-Christian heritage, amongst many other things. Basically, they have a grab-bag of feel good policies to support their hatred of people of a non-Judeo-Christian religion. They'll need more than that, but there will be a few percent of voters who will go for it.

There's more if you look closely at what Rise Up Australia is on about, but "centrist"? Rise Up Australia is not. Stay Green or Labor. Joining a racial party doesn't fit your support for good policies and good government.
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Posted - 17 Nov 2015 :  20:24:55  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Zac

Everything is relative.

'Rise Up Australia Party' quotes from its leader:

"We oppose multi-culturalism and aim to preserve Australia's Judeo-Christian heritage."
"Homosexuals can be turned back to heterosexual relationships through education and through Christ."
"Australia's coal-fired power stations are 42% energy efficient. We plan to repeal the carbon tax if elected."
"We plan to overhaul Australia's media content laws by restricting immoral content."

I guess they decide what is "immoral", and how to encourage the support of the millions of Australians who aren't of Judeo-Christian heritage, amongst many other things. Basically, they have a grab-bag of feel good policies to support their hatred of people of a non-Judeo-Christian religion. They'll need more than that, but there will be a few percent of voters who will go for it.

There's more if you look closely at what Rise Up Australia is on about, but "centrist"? Rise Up Australia is not. Stay Green or Labor. Joining a racial party doesn't fit your support for good policies and good government.



Rise Up is a vanity project by a loony preacher of a different faith.

The Australian Liberty Alliance is who I'm supporting because it has actual links to respected parties in Europe.

http://www.australianlibertyalliance.org.au/values-and-policies/values-and-core-policies



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