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Zac
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Posted - 21 Mar 2016 :  17:14:25  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Abbott bagging Swan and Labor for poor management of commodity prices? Did he do that? If he did, you can bag him as much as you like and I'd agree with you. Maybe he said something like that after Wayne's 2013 Budget when he went from his previous budget speech of "These four years of surpluses I announce tonight" to 2013 when he announced years of deficits. I really don't recall either side of politics blaming the other for falling commodity prices. I know that BHP and Rio Tinto can take some blame for their price cutting to squeeze out competitors, but no government could have stopped that at the time. However, Abbott's gone, Hockey's gone, and so have Rudd and Gillard. Wayne Swan is on the Opposition backbench - not gone, but kind-of disappeared, and as you say, the shoe is on the other foot. We have a Coalition Government, and it is slowly starting to distance itself from whatever Abbott and Hockey were on about.

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Abbott's gone? Who's that on the backbench lobbing hand grenades at his own side then?

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.


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Posted - 21 Mar 2016 :  21:50:37  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Zac

We have a Coalition Government, and it is slowly starting to distance itself from whatever Abbott and Hockey were on about.



no they are not, it is pretty much "same old, same old"

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Zac
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Posted - 22 Mar 2016 :  13:39:20  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
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Abbott's gone? Who's that on the backbench lobbing hand grenades at his own side then?
That was careless of me. Well, a bit like Swanny, he's kind-of disappeared. Sulking on the backbench - and those "hand grenades" are duds. The Abbott equivalent of Bill's 'zingers'.

Trev, "same old, same old", but slowly starting to distance itself.
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Posted - 23 Mar 2016 :  13:52:09  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Chuckle o' the Day.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/23/malcolm-turnbulls-continuity-and-change-slogan-straight-out-of-veep


Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 23 Mar 2016 :  14:26:12  Show Profile Send bundy1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
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Chuckle o' the Day.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/23/malcolm-turnbulls-continuity-and-change-slogan-straight-out-of-veep




Let us just say that it happens on both sides:

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudds-samesex-response-straight-from-the-west-wing-20130903-2t2ng.html



Well said - sums up the hypocrisy of LG and the fordies -
http://www.v8central.com/snitz3403/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39351&whichpage=11#875389



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Posted - 23 Mar 2016 :  16:18:19  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Kevin Rudd is so 'old hat' move on mate

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Posted - 23 Mar 2016 :  20:56:49  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bundy1

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Chuckle o' the Day.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/23/malcolm-turnbulls-continuity-and-change-slogan-straight-out-of-veep




Let us just say that it happens on both sides:

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudds-samesex-response-straight-from-the-west-wing-20130903-2t2ng.html






And?

You libs are a funny* lot. You criticize Labor for such things but then use Labor as an excuse, because they did it before, to justify the libs doing the same thing.

And just to nit pick. At least Labor had the good sense to use a competent TV drama. Veep is satire comedy.


*=ha ha funny

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 23 Mar 2016 :  23:07:27  Show Profile Send bundy1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by bundy1

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Chuckle o' the Day.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/23/malcolm-turnbulls-continuity-and-change-slogan-straight-out-of-veep




Let us just say that it happens on both sides:

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudds-samesex-response-straight-from-the-west-wing-20130903-2t2ng.html






And?

You libs are a funny* lot. You criticize Labor for such things but then use Labor as an excuse, because they did it before, to justify the libs doing the same thing.

And just to nit pick. At least Labor had the good sense to use a competent TV drama. Veep is satire comedy.


*=ha ha funny



Not criticising just pointing out that there is a precedent.

And just to nit pick again you would say that about the West Wing as it was a leftist show.

Well said - sums up the hypocrisy of LG and the fordies -
http://www.v8central.com/snitz3403/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39351&whichpage=11#875389



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Posted - 24 Mar 2016 :  20:22:05  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
As I said, when you are hanging off the edge of the extreme right, everything else will be to your left.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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Abbotts doing a wonderful job as Bill Shortmemories campaign manager, he'said gonna bring Malcolm down at any cost! ****en **** stick eating moron!

New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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Posted - 12 Apr 2016 :  15:12:39  Show Profile Send bigcol a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Here's another ****ing mess by the adults.

Should have left the original NBN alone

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nbn-malcolm-turnbulls-faster-cheaper-rollout-falters-20160228-gn5l0s.html

Malcolm Turnbull's cut-price National Broadband Network is facing mounting delays and rising costs, according to a damning internal progress report obtained by Fairfax Media.
The report, marked "commercial in confidence" and "for official use only", sets out a litany of problems in delivering the Coalition's supposedly more budget-friendly fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) model.
By the company's own assessment, the giant infrastructure project has fallen two-thirds short of its benchmark construction timetable. Connection costs to each house or business are also blowing out. The model had been marketed to voters as superior to Labor's NBN because it was "Fast. Affordable. Sooner".

"final design" process for connections - needed before construction can start - is running far behind schedule, according to the February 19 report.
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While 1,402,909 premises should have been approved at the date of the report, the figure was sitting at 662,665 - 740,000 fewer than planned.
The snapshot says NBN Co has achieved 29,005 fibre-to-the-node "construction completions", while noting its internally budgeted target for this period was more than three times this at 94,273.The report, which was never intended for public disclosure, reveals the extent to which the more than $46 billion project has drifted off course, mainly during the time when Mr Turnbull was in direct control as communications minister - the portfolio he held before replacing Tony Abbott as Prime Minister in September.
In a statement, NBN rejected claims the company is "at risk" of not meeting its targets but refused to be drawn on "alleged internal documents".
"The company's management has proven repeatedly that it can effectively monitor and manage those risks," it said. "This is an incredibly complex project unlike any infrastructure build anywhere in the world."
Communications Minister Mitch Fifield also rejected any suggestion of tardiness.
"The Coalition government has taken a business-like approach to managing the NBN project. After two terms of government, Labor had upgraded broadband to just 1 in 50 premises in Australia," he said.
"By the end of this year, the NBN will have upgraded 1 in 4 premises and by the end of 2018 it will have extended to 3 in 4 premises.
"Our changes to the roll-out will see the project finished six to eight years sooner than reverting to Labor's approach, and at around $30 billion less cost."
Under the heading "Commercial in Confidence: Scale the Deployment Program", the report outlines a plethora of faults, including that delays in power approvals and construction are being caused by electricity companies which account for 38,537 premises or 59 per cent of overall slippages against the target.
Another 30 per cent of delays are down to material shortages and a further 11 per cent are attributed to completion reviews.
"Construction completions currently sits at 29K against the corporate budget of 94K," the report states.
"Gap-to-target has increased from 49,183 to 65,268 at week ending February 12.
"Construction completions gap can be attributed to 3 main issues: power, supply, and completions under review."
Also noted in the report is a rise in the cost per connection of design and construction, which has now reached $1366, compared with the target price of $1114 - a 23 per cent increase.
The NBN Co was the subject of a major political contest at the last election, with Mr Turnbull insisting Labor's FTTP (fibre-to-the-premises) model was needlessly extravagant and unaffordable at a projected off-budget price of $44.9 billion.
Instead, he proposed the more modest mixed technology FTTN roll-out which, rather than connecting up each house or business, would connect in many cases to the old Telstra network in each street, and rely on the existing copper wire connections for the final hook up to each premises.
It was originally intended to cost $29.5 billion according to the Abbott government, but costs have increased considerably since 2013 and it is getting close to twice that price tag.
Yet the NBN Co's own documents show that for all that money, it remains bedevilled with problems from the slow design approvals by power utility companies (FTTP did not require electrical supply but FTTN does) and as a result of material and supply problems. Even expertise in dealing with the copper network is scarce.
#8203;While the Coalition's pared-back version of the NBN was intended to deliver the system quicker and more cheaply, the company's snapshot suggests some of the design factors of FTTN are causing the bottleneck.
"Despite Design Commencements remaining above budget, all other significant milestones of FTTN continue to remain behind target," the report states.
Labor's model had proposed connection directly to 93 per cent the premises using fibre-optic cables all the way, compared with the Coalition's version in which just 20 per cent would get the all-fibre version, with the remainder serviced with the fixed-line copper network from the street node, as well as hybrid fibre-coaxial technology.
The NBN has been the battleground of some of the most furious politicking since Labor embarked on the project on its election in 2007.
Mr Abbott appointed Mr Turnbull as communications spokesman with the express instruction to "demolish" the NBN.
Since assuming responsibility for it, however, he has reframed its objectives to contain costs, arguing that providing optical fibre to everywhere but the most remote locations was foolish and that the network would best be constructed by a variety of means relevant to each location, including fibre, copper, satellite, and fibre-coaxial hybrid.

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Zac
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Posted - 12 Apr 2016 :  16:59:14  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Just as a "by the way..."; I have recently moved, and my new home has fibre to the premises. Where I was previously was not only the old copper network, but I was in a semi-rural area, and at the end of a line with very slow internet speeds. I tested my download speeds at various times and it was usually around 2-3Mps. I had four incoming phone lines with one dedicated to my internet connection. I can now do everything on the one fibre cable, and I have tested my new download speeds at various times. The slowest was 24.78Mps, the fastest was over 40, and when I tested it just now (while I was on the phone, if that makes any difference) it was 32.89. It's very nice. If I want to watch something on youtube for example, it's just like watching TV. No waiting, no buffering, just instantaneous. I also have my phone set so that when people ring my landline, both the landline and my mobile ring simultaneously, and regardless of which one I answer, I am only charged the landline rate with no diversion cost. Thank you NBN, thank you Telstra - and I guess I can say thank you to Labor too.

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Posted - 12 Apr 2016 :  17:26:41  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
You're just a skite!
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AlbertM
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Posted - 14 Apr 2016 :  19:13:26  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
For Zac. I know he loves relating Seinfeld jokes to politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWzQ05xNmQ

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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