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Trev
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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  09:35:39  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
THEY HAVE RELEASED THEIR POLICIES, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO, SEARCH ALL THE NEWS SERVICES JUST TO AMUSE YOU - SORRY AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN - YOU GO SEARCHING


then we had the Abbott Turnbull coupe, so why is your side any different? And after Turnbull loses we will have Abbott again

this current Government are far worst financial managers that Labor ever was, the numbers are on the board and on the record, (Hockey, my god, what a disaster) it is just that the right wing media isn't printing it cos Rupert said 'NO' and in this sense Shorten is weak for not spending more time highlighting it, he is trying to make him (and the Labor Party) not look like the negative pieces of **** that the Liberals were under Abbott (in opposition and in Government)

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Trickyonne
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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  09:58:27  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Im not saying the current libs are any better.......but surley your not that brain washed that you think the ALP can handle the economy ???

BTW cant find ANY new policies from the ALP regarding the economy....lots on gay marriage tho

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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  10:19:58  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
FWIW, Murdoch's influence on Australian politics is hugely exaggerated. In my lifetime, Murdoch papers have gone from daily sales to around 38% of the population to around 4% - and that 4% is made up of mainly older and conservative voters. Not only that, but of those dwindling readers, around half of them don't believe those papers anyway. After the last federal election, it dropped well below half. Most people get their news from electronic sources, and there Murdoch's influence is shrinking and not being believed either.

http://insidestory.org.au/why-bill-shorten-and-labor-can-afford-to-ignore-rupert-murdoch

Even ignoring Murdoch's lack of influence, other right wing media that people love to offer up as having undue influence don't really have much pull on how people vote either. What they probably do is reinforce the views those listeners and readers already have. Right wing radio personalities have little influence on how people vote. People go on about Alan Jones, Ray Hadley etc, but despite them continually winning ratings surveys, they are only reaching a small percentage of the population - most of them older and conservative anyway. Alan Jones is far and away the most listened to person in Sydney - but that is only around 14% of listeners, and I'd say that most of them are conservative voters without Jones' 'influence'. Both Jones and Hadley have been anti the current government anyway, and I wouldn't be surprised if Murdoch went a bit anti-Turnbull in the next few months as well. Not that it would make any difference to the election result if he did.

Does anyone here regularly read (and believe) Murdoch media political 'news' or views? Or for that matter, listen to (and believe) Alan Jones and Ray Hadley's political views?

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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  10:55:56  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
alan jones is an interesting fellow....down this way a lot of the more mature aged people listen to him and fly his flag....until you mention that he's gay then they either don't believe you or change their mind about him. For me, he does raise some good points sometimes

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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  12:36:05  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

Im not saying the current libs are any better.......but surley your not that brain washed that you think the ALP can handle the economy ??

new people in hew roles, why not, they can't be any worse that Hockey, or for that fact Morrison




quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

BTW cant find ANY new policies from the ALP regarding the economy....lots on gay marriage tho

**** ME YOU DIDN'T LOOK TOO HARD

One click I was on the Labor Party webpage, 2nd click I was here, you really aren't trying are you - are you all mouth and not much all??????? You are making yourself look pretty stupid.

You need to read each of the boxes and make an decision if you think what is written on the boxes will impact on the economy, there are a few there that meet that requirement


http://www.alp.org.au/positive_policies


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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  13:08:01  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trev

quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

Im not saying the current libs are any better.......but surley your not that brain washed that you think the ALP can handle the economy ??

new people in hew roles, why not, they can't be any worse that Hockey, or for that fact Morrison




quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

BTW cant find ANY new policies from the ALP regarding the economy....lots on gay marriage tho

**** ME YOU DIDN'T LOOK TOO HARD

One click I was on the Labor Party webpage, 2nd click I was here, you really aren't trying are you - are you all mouth and not much all??????? You are making yourself look pretty stupid.

You need to read each of the boxes and make an decision if you think what is written on the boxes will impact on the economy, there are a few there that meet that requirement


http://www.alp.org.au/positive_policies





couldn't see anything about economic policies there ???...plenty of spending tho

IMO economic policies should be how we rein in spending ???...how do we pay for the things the ALP are proposing ???...but your right maybe ALP new blood will be better...sure hope so

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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  13:44:19  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

couldn't see anything about economic policies there ???...plenty of spending tho

IMO economic policies should be how we rein in spending ???...how do we pay for the things the ALP are proposing ???


about 2 seconds of looking

http://www.alp.org.au/negativegearing

http://www.theirfairshare.org.au/ourpolicy

http://www.alp.org.au/fairer_super_plan

http://www.alp.org.au/bestpracticetobaccopolicy/

http://www.alp.org.au/access_to_justice_for_small_business


DO I NEED TO GO ON?

You are just being obtrusive for the sake of it, aren't you?



Now that we have got your bull**** blocking out of the way, show me the LNP policies - off you go, I did it for you, now you do it for me, now only the ones where they show on their "economic policies should be how we rein in spending ???"

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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  13:54:34  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trev

quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

couldn't see anything about economic policies there ???...plenty of spending tho

IMO economic policies should be how we rein in spending ???...how do we pay for the things the ALP are proposing ???


about 2 seconds of looking

http://www.alp.org.au/negativegearing

http://www.theirfairshare.org.au/ourpolicy

http://www.alp.org.au/fairer_super_plan

http://www.alp.org.au/bestpracticetobaccopolicy/

http://www.alp.org.au/access_to_justice_for_small_business


DO I NEED TO GO ON?

You are just being obtrusive for the sake of it, aren't you?



Now that we have got your bull**** blocking out of the way, show me the LNP policies - off you go, I did it for you, now you do it for me, now only the ones where they show on their "economic policies should be how we rein in spending ???"




LNP policies ???...who care's ???...that's my point Trev...doesn't matter what ANYONE says this side of the election because its ALL bull**** from BOTH sides...if you think the ALP will deliver on half of those policies your kidding youself

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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  13:59:10  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
nice divert - you lose!

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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  14:06:07  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trev

You are just being obtrusive for the sake of it
Trickyonne obtrusive? I think you both are. (Conspicious, obvious, noticeable...)
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Posted - 21 Apr 2016 :  14:15:54  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
How do you think the little family truckie would go trying to access this to take on the TWU and the ALP?

http://www.alp.org.au/access_to_justice_for_small_business
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Posted - 22 Apr 2016 :  13:25:15  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
What were the minimum pay rates meant to be under the RSRT? All I can find was that there was going to be minimum pay rates, but no actual information about them?

EDIT: It's good to see that Malcolm and Bill are in election mode already, although I don't think it's officially been called yet?

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Not when we have a large debt to pay off (and yes the debt is actually money we owe).



The Libs have racked up half as much debt in less time it took the ALP. The Libs removed revenue sources to win votes and we have nothing to show for it. The libs want to introduce new taxes and raise existing ones and cut more services and cheap out on important infrastructure projects such as the NBN.

Remember my analogy of starving the family to pay the house off quicker? I was wrong. The Libs starve the family, borrow more money and spend it on themselves.


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Zac
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Posted - 30 Apr 2016 :  09:34:50  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Both sides of parliament have racked up too much debt. It's even worse in Labor's case, as Labor did it at the time it should have started repaying. Yes, we had the GFC, but after that we had the greatest boom in revenue for our commodity exports ever (and the best opportunity ever to reduce debt), and we kept spending and borrowing more. We were told it would be easy to repay our debt, and that it wasn't very big anyway), so the debt just kept growing. Anyway, I've beat that drum enough, and I didn't and won't defend the Coalition's efforts when it became the Government either. Still, during the Abbott and Hockey show, when Joe was introducing debt reducing bills, Labor not only kept voting against them, but voted against their own cost saving measures.

Funny, but true: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-28/labor-blocking-five-billion-of-own-savings-measures/5684750 If you can't be bothered reading it all, read the first paragraph then scroll to the bottom to 'The verdict'.

Edited by - Zac on 30 Apr 2016 09:44:52
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Posted - 01 May 2016 :  15:49:00  Show Profile Send bigcol a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

How do you think the little family truckie would go trying to access this to take on the TWU and the ALP?

http://www.alp.org.au/access_to_justice_for_small_business



That piece of legislation was garbage but you're now banging on about something that, if they were serious, the Abbott/Turnbull government could have changed already but they haven't. So add their ****ing totally ****ed way of handling the economy to another thing they should have done but haven't.

This Abbott/Turnbull government is one of the worst in australia's history and makes Rudd/Gillard/Rudd look bloody brilliant.

Mick everything you give **** to labor for the Noalition has done exactly the same but in a more shambolic way.
It's pretty hypocritical when the Howard government was labled as the most prolfigate spending government in history and the Abbott/Turnbull experiment has increased debt at a faster rate.
So much for the dribbling ****ing dead**** saying we had a budget emergency and then he and sloppy Joe increase our debt

Both parties are majorly ****ed. Vote independant to make these useless self serving pieces of **** take notice

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