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Zac
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Posted - 19 Jun 2016 :  09:58:54  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
He's actually very nice. He's kindly given me the benefit of his doubt.

No, I don't know why either.

One more while I still have the benefit of his doubt:
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I am just going to pick up on one thing which was in today's election headlines which was the commitment by the Labor Party to pledge $100 million to Arrium where it goes without saying that it seems as though that (1) they have forgotten that the $50 billion submarine building project which has bi-partisan support is going to draw heavily on the Australian steel sector for its materials in building the submarines; that (2) the Coalition has already brought forward millions of dollars of rail infrastructure projects where again the Australian steel sector will be heavily drawn upon to provide the building materials that; (3) they have forgotten to remember the efforts of Bluescope Steel in Newcastle where they were a loss making business and have now turned that around where I note that Arrium have already found I think it is $300 million dollars worth of savings and finally you would think they would have learnt from the car industry and the billions they threw at all the manufacturers that manufactured cars in Australia that it is throwing good money after bad really when you think of the investments that the Australian government made for the car companies to pretty much pack up and not really continue to manufacture cars further to a time when you could really consider that they have paid the Australian taxpayer back.
^Candidate for Central's longest and clumsiest sentence

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-19/election-2016-government-promises-arrium-lifeline/7523332

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Posted - 19 Jun 2016 :  11:20:34  Show Profile Send bundy1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Zac

He's actually very nice. He's kindly given me the benefit of his doubt.

No, I don't know why either.

One more while I still have the benefit of his doubt:
quote:
Originally posted by bundy1
I am just going to pick up on one thing which was in today's election headlines which was the commitment by the Labor Party to pledge $100 million to Arrium where it goes without saying that it seems as though that (1) they have forgotten that the $50 billion submarine building project which has bi-partisan support is going to draw heavily on the Australian steel sector for its materials in building the submarines; that (2) the Coalition has already brought forward millions of dollars of rail infrastructure projects where again the Australian steel sector will be heavily drawn upon to provide the building materials that; (3) they have forgotten to remember the efforts of Bluescope Steel in Newcastle where they were a loss making business and have now turned that around where I note that Arrium have already found I think it is $300 million dollars worth of savings and finally you would think they would have learnt from the car industry and the billions they threw at all the manufacturers that manufactured cars in Australia that it is throwing good money after bad really when you think of the investments that the Australian government made for the car companies to pretty much pack up and not really continue to manufacture cars further to a time when you could really consider that they have paid the Australian taxpayer back.
^Candidate for Central's longest and clumsiest sentence

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-19/election-2016-government-promises-arrium-lifeline/7523332



Well at least it isn't made up of any grants but rather a loan for the purchase of machinery for which they will take security over them should the company fail.

Well said - sums up the hypocrisy of LG and the fordies -
http://www.v8central.com/snitz3403/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39351&whichpage=11#875389



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Zac
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Posted - 19 Jun 2016 :  11:35:32  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I think you should read the details of Labor's offer. $50 million of Labor's offer is a loan - well, not even a loan really. It's a financing guarantee via the EFIC (the Export Finance and Insurance Corporation), and the other $50 million is subject to Arrium being sold to an approved buyer.

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Posted - 19 Jun 2016 :  15:17:50  Show Profile Send bundy1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Zac

I think you should read the details of Labor's offer. $50 million of Labor's offer is a loan - well, not even a loan really. It's a financing guarantee via the EFIC (the Export Finance and Insurance Corporation), and the other $50 million is subject to Arrium being sold to an approved buyer.



Yes well having this sort of financial backing from a government if labor win is hardly not going to attract an "approved buyer" is it so it is pretty much a no-strings attached grant.

Well said - sums up the hypocrisy of LG and the fordies -
http://www.v8central.com/snitz3403/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39351&whichpage=11#875389



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Posted - 19 Jun 2016 :  23:52:38  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Abbott would have taken the Greens vote to form government in 2010 and the LNP has aligned with the Greens to pass legislation. So it seem that a "coalition" with the Greens is not exclusive to the Labor Party.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 20 Jun 2016 :  00:34:29  Show Profile Send bundy1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Abbott would have taken the Greens vote to form government in 2010 and the LNP has aligned with the Greens to pass legislation. So it seem that a "coalition" with the Greens is not exclusive to the Labor Party.



In theory yes but in practice no.

Well said - sums up the hypocrisy of LG and the fordies -
http://www.v8central.com/snitz3403/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39351&whichpage=11#875389



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Posted - 20 Jun 2016 :  07:31:59  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Troll

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Posted - 20 Jun 2016 :  21:07:58  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Reality isn't a strong point for Lib-tards



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO6UcfJcUcs

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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CP
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Posted - 25 Jun 2016 :  02:22:57  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Will the UK referendum have any impact on our Pollies?
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Posted - 25 Jun 2016 :  09:40:43  Show Profile Send bundy1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Will the UK referendum have any impact on our Pollies?



If anything it will favour the Coalition as one of the key issues that the British revolted on was immigration and there being too much free flow of people from Europe into the UK taking what the UK perceived to be their jobs and, where they could, claiming the UK's generous welfare and health care benefits and there being a general understanding that Labor are more lax on the issue.

Well said - sums up the hypocrisy of LG and the fordies -
http://www.v8central.com/snitz3403/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39351&whichpage=11#875389



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Posted - 25 Jun 2016 :  12:07:50  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Will the UK referendum have any impact on our Pollies?



Not really. Australia lacks a real UKIP analog for working class people who want a decent degree of social spending but reduced immigration.

We have; socialist globalist open borders ideologues in the Greens who now fancy themselves as the next major party on the pollie gravy train; fairly interchangeable suits in LibLab who are already on the pollie gravy train; a mixed bag of small parties who have been denied the chance to ever grow because the LNP, ALP and Greens got scared at the last election.

I live in hope that the Australian Liberty Alliance or one of those patriotic small parties finds exponential growth and balances out the cloying, condescending message of the Greens and their supporters who seem to campaign for "socialism" but utterly despise the working class and call them "stupid bogans" at every opportunity, all while trying to replace them with Middle Easterners more religiously conservative than Fred Nile could ever dream of.


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Zac
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Posted - 27 Jun 2016 :  15:37:37  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
5..., 4..., 3...

It has to be the least interesting election I can recall. Only a few days to go, and still the voters of Australia can't get engaged in it. Maybe that's the way Malcolm wanted it to be, or maybe that's the only way Mal and Bill perform. For me, the TV highlight of the election campaign was The Chaser's girl with the recorder: Getting a kid who can't play the recorder to play it in front of various pollies to see how long the pollies could politely watch before finding a way to excuse themselves.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/matwhitehead/the-chaser-put-a-girl-with-a-recorder-in-front-of-politician?utm_term=.pswrxnVJG5#.xh23KyVMoZ

It's looking like the Coalition will get back in, but who knows how the Senate will end up? Maybe politics will be more interesting after the election than what it has been during the election campaign. Maybe then, this thread could be renamed something other than 'General Libs vs ALP Thread', so those who want to talk about other parties can contribute without going off-topic.

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Posted - 27 Jun 2016 :  16:28:10  Show Profile Send bigem a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by AlbertM

Reality isn't a strong point for Lib-tards



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO6UcfJcUcs



Reality isn't a strong point for Politicians! I'm not voting for any of them, eeh haw, eeh haw, theyou don't deserve my vote and nothing will change irrespective of who gets in.

They discust me!

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Zac
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Posted - 27 Jun 2016 :  20:14:23  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Reality certainly isn't a strong point for the over-actor in Albert's video.
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Posted - 27 Jun 2016 :  20:14:37  Show Profile Send bundy1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by 27GV

quote:
Originally posted by CP

Will the UK referendum have any impact on our Pollies?



Not really. Australia lacks a real UKIP analog for working class people who want a decent degree of social spending but reduced immigration.

We have; socialist globalist open borders ideologues in the Greens who now fancy themselves as the next major party on the pollie gravy train; fairly interchangeable suits in LibLab who are already on the pollie gravy train; a mixed bag of small parties who have been denied the chance to ever grow because the LNP, ALP and Greens got scared at the last election.

I live in hope that the Australian Liberty Alliance or one of those patriotic small parties finds exponential growth and balances out the cloying, condescending message of the Greens and their supporters who seem to campaign for "socialism" but utterly despise the working class and call them "stupid bogans" at every opportunity, all while trying to replace them with Middle Easterners more religiously conservative than Fred Nile could ever dream of.



Vote for the Australian Liberty Alliance for this issue at your peril as you will be voting for their stance on other issues as well which may not be aligned with your own personal views as remember that they sit on the far right.

Well said - sums up the hypocrisy of LG and the fordies -
http://www.v8central.com/snitz3403/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39351&whichpage=11#875389



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