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Zac
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Posted - 23 Feb 2018 :  20:43:48  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
That's a gold medal hair-split, OT.

OK, Barnaby has not actually resigned precisely yet - but he has announced his resignation to take effect after the National Party room meeting on Monday morning. Meanwhile, he's on leave, it's the weekend, and while in normal circumstances he would be acting PM while the PM is overseas, he has been overlooked while Mathias "economic girly man" Cormann takes his job. I'd call that a resignation.

So, why did he resign and announce his move to the backbench? Was it because he thought it best for his resignation to be a "circuit breaker" as he said - or was it for all those wonderful National Party voters in weatherboard house with iron rooves (as he said) that he almost cries for? Nope. It was because he saw the numbers for the party room meeting on Monday morning. 22 votes available, and he's already lost a definite 11. Say no more. Best to get in first and resign now (Sorry! Announce his resignation) than face the embarrassment of having his party do the job for him on Monday morning. Can he do an "I'll be back"? Knowing the Nats, it's not impossible, but meanwhile, the Coalition is trying its hardest to be the Opposition come the next election - losing to Bill and a team of even less competence.

PS: Whether the ABC was accurate saying that Barnaby has resigned is a matter of hair-splitting opinion, but you'd best put all major media outlets in the same category of those you don't expect to be accurate. Barnaby has resigned.

Edited by - Zac on 23 Feb 2018 21:03:01
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Trickyonne
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Posted - 23 Feb 2018 :  22:03:11  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Any ideas what Barnaby will call his new liftle bastard ?

Malcolm ?

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Posted - 23 Feb 2018 :  22:38:24  Show Profile  Visit tommo11's Homepage Send tommo11 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by CP

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-15/turnbull-slams-joyce-affair-changes-to-ministerial-standards/9451792

It says that you can't have sex with your staff, but ruling doesn't say anything against having sex with other MPs staff. Or other MPs.



tommo is pissed...he was gonna run for parliament

Note CP's disclaimer.. after all, politicians are great at finding loopholes.

triggered snowflake xox
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Posted - 23 Feb 2018 :  23:58:33  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Zac

That's a gold medal hair-split, OT.

OK, Barnaby has not actually resigned precisely yet - but he has announced his resignation to take effect after the National Party room meeting on Monday morning. Meanwhile, he's on leave, it's the weekend, and while in normal circumstances he would be acting PM while the PM is overseas, he has been overlooked while Mathias "economic girly man" Cormann takes his job. I'd call that a resignation.

So, why did he resign and announce his move to the backbench? Was it because he thought it best for his resignation to be a "circuit breaker" as he said - or was it for all those wonderful National Party voters in weatherboard house with iron rooves (as he said) that he almost cries for? Nope. It was because he saw the numbers for the party room meeting on Monday morning. 22 votes available, and he's already lost a definite 11. Say no more. Best to get in first and resign now (Sorry! Announce his resignation) than face the embarrassment of having his party do the job for him on Monday morning. Can he do an "I'll be back"? Knowing the Nats, it's not impossible, but meanwhile, the Coalition is trying its hardest to be the Opposition come the next election - losing to Bill and a team of even less competence.

PS: Whether the ABC was accurate saying that Barnaby has resigned is a matter of hair-splitting opinion, but you'd best put all major media outlets in the same category of those you don't expect to be accurate. Barnaby has resigned.



We will just have to disagree. I saw the news conference.

He has not resigned.

His impending and probable resignation is stated to be because of the allegations in WA, which he has asked be referred to the Police.

the media often write phoney headlines and then write the accurate information in the text.

I have also called out Speedcafe for this same practice.
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Posted - 24 Feb 2018 :  05:46:21  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
He bought all this on himself, no-one made anything up - the allegations are all based on truth (although the W.A. has yet to be proven - personally I think this one is clutching at straws, mind you people with big ego's are a problem with this sort of stuff)

I reserve the right to arm bears

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Zac
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Posted - 24 Feb 2018 :  07:47:07  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

[He has not resigned.

His impending and probable resignation...

(That must be a new hair.) So it's possible that Barney might make another media announcement on Monday morning to say that he's changed his mind? I guess it's possible - but then there would be the party meeting voting him out anyway. He's announced his resignation with all that guff about those wonderful people, and nothing will change. Bye bye, and watch out for that door.

For those who don't bore easily (see above), and sat through Barney's resignation speech/news conference: The Weatherboard Nine is not some group of drug smugglers, it's those folk who live in houses made of weatherboard with iron rooves. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/weatherboard-nine-barnaby-joyce-causes-stir-in-resignation-speech-with-misheard-saying-20180223-p4z1hj.html

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Trickyonne
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Posted - 24 Feb 2018 :  09:03:17  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by tommo11

quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by CP

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-15/turnbull-slams-joyce-affair-changes-to-ministerial-standards/9451792

It says that you can't have sex with your staff, but ruling doesn't say anything against having sex with other MPs staff. Or other MPs.



tommo is pissed...he was gonna run for parliament

Note CP's disclaimer.. after all, politicians are great at finding loopholes.



Lol...you got my vote

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Posted - 25 Feb 2018 :  21:31:05  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by Zac

That's a gold medal hair-split, OT.

OK, Barnaby has not actually resigned precisely yet - but he has announced his resignation to take effect after the National Party room meeting on Monday morning. Meanwhile, he's on leave, it's the weekend, and while in normal circumstances he would be acting PM while the PM is overseas, he has been overlooked while Mathias "economic girly man" Cormann takes his job. I'd call that a resignation.

So, why did he resign and announce his move to the backbench? Was it because he thought it best for his resignation to be a "circuit breaker" as he said - or was it for all those wonderful National Party voters in weatherboard house with iron rooves (as he said) that he almost cries for? Nope. It was because he saw the numbers for the party room meeting on Monday morning. 22 votes available, and he's already lost a definite 11. Say no more. Best to get in first and resign now (Sorry! Announce his resignation) than face the embarrassment of having his party do the job for him on Monday morning. Can he do an "I'll be back"? Knowing the Nats, it's not impossible, but meanwhile, the Coalition is trying its hardest to be the Opposition come the next election - losing to Bill and a team of even less competence.

PS: Whether the ABC was accurate saying that Barnaby has resigned is a matter of hair-splitting opinion, but you'd best put all major media outlets in the same category of those you don't expect to be accurate. Barnaby has resigned.



We will just have to disagree. I saw the news conference.

He has not resigned.

His impending and probable resignation is stated to be because of the allegations in WA, which he has asked be referred to the Police.

the media often write phoney headlines and then write the accurate information in the text.

I have also called out Speedcafe for this same practice.



For those that think I was hair splitting, riddle me this.


If a team manager announced on Friday that his currently black car was going into the paint shop Monday morning to be painted White, then the car is still black on Friday and Sunday and even early Monday morning.


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Zac
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Posted - 25 Feb 2018 :  22:18:01  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Bad analogy. Try this one: Your team manager announces on Friday that he’s quitting the team, effective Monday morning. The team owner immediately relieves him of his management duties and sends him on gardening leave. The manager has no managing to do and he’s headed out of town anyway. Yes, he’s technically a manager until Monday, but with no managing to do as he has ceased managing with no work in that role any more - and that car is still black.
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Posted - 26 Feb 2018 :  09:17:16  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
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Bad analogy. Try this one: Your team manager announces on Friday that he’s quitting the team, effective Monday morning. The team owner immediately relieves him of his management duties and sends him on gardening leave. The manager has no managing to do and he’s headed out of town anyway. Yes, he’s technically a manager until Monday, but with no managing to do as he has ceased managing with no work in that role any more - and that car is still black.



Your analogy is faulty because it inserts a boss taking action.

Barnaby was the Boss of the Parliamentary National Party, without any higher level supervisor.

Anyway, events have overtaken this esoteric discussion.

quote:
MICHAEL McCormack has defeated George Christensen to become the new leader of the National Party and Australia’s next Deputy Prime Minister.

Mr Christensen was the only challenger in the leadership ballot to replace Barnaby Joyce at a special party room meeting this morning that lasted just half an hour.

Mr McCormack said he was honoured to be elected and vowed to be a team player.

He paid tribute to Mr Joyce, saying his leadership of the Nationals would never be diminished.

In a surprise announcement, chief whip Michelle Landry said Mr Christensen had contested the leader ballot.

“George a always passionate about the National party, passionate about regional Australia,” she said.

“It’s his democratic right to get up and nominate in the party room.

“George decided he wanted to stand up and talk about National party values and regional Australia and that’s very important.”


Michael McCormack arriving for the Party room meeting, at Parliament House in Canberra. Picture Kym Smith
She said he did not advocate splitting from the Coalition in the party room.

Deputy Nationals leader Bridget McKenzie had requested an uncontested ballot if possible.

Me Landry did not reveal what the vote was.

Mr Joyce arrived at the Nationals party room meeting in Parliament House flanked by Senator McKenzie. Mr McCormack arrived solo a few moments later.

Mr Joyce’s decision to resign came after almost three weeks of fall out surrounding his marriage breakup and a relationship with a former staffer Vikki Campion who is now pregnant with his unborn son.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/barnaby-joyces-leadership-is-over-with-his-national-party-now-meeting-in-canberra-to-select-his-replacement/news-story/2c4fb2b98b7ee564f32ecaf9157c9e42
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Zac
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Posted - 26 Feb 2018 :  09:53:08  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

Your analogy is faulty because it inserts a boss taking action.

Barnaby was the Boss of the Parliamentary National Party, without any higher level supervisor.

The Barnaby boss only took action because he did the sums. His party were going to vote him out. Whether we call the party members a "higher level" is an esoteric argument, and as you say, events have overtaken this discussion. Barnaby has definitely quit now - as he made clear on Friday.
PS: "Release the Weatherboard Nine".

Edited by - Zac on 26 Feb 2018 09:58:09
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Posted - 26 Feb 2018 :  10:23:17  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I thoroughly concur Zac, and it was a resignation last week - there was never ever any doubt in that

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Posted - 26 Feb 2018 :  12:59:15  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Isn't the Riverina electorate the old Calabrian Mafia stronghold Grassby seat?
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Posted - 26 Feb 2018 :  23:57:44  Show Profile Send bigcol a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Bonkaby to the back bench.

Can't believe how hard up she must have been to want to have sex with Mr Tomato head

Just quoting it again Ian, so you can me give three penalties in 3 days for the same offence

ONLY LITTLE BOYZ WEAR BOWTIES

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Posted - 28 Feb 2018 :  13:58:13  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Remember, these are people that we willingly elect.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-28/michaelia-cash-forced-to-withdraw-threats/9492838?smid=Page:%20ABC%20News-Facebook_Organic&WT.tsrc=Facebook_Organic&sf183189248=1

Jobs Minister Michaelia Cash has been forced to withdraw her threat to name "every young woman" in Opposition Leader Bill Shorten's office about whom, she claims, "rumours abound".

Senator Cash made the threat during a tense Senate Estimates hearing in which Labor senator Doug Cameron repeatedly asked the Minister about her newly hired chief of staff and their employment record.

The Jobs Minister took issue with the line of questioning, arguing it was unusual to discuss "staff matters" and warned Senator Cameron he was going down a "dangerous path".

"If you want to start discussing staff matters, be very, very careful," she warned.

"Because I am happy to sit here and name every young woman in Mr Shorten's office over which rumours in this place abound.
"If you want to go down that path today, I will do it."

Senator Cameron laughed off the threat and told Senator Cash to "settle down" and take "a chill pill" but the Jobs Minister became increasingly irate.

"Do you want to start naming them for Mr Shorten to come out and deny any of the rumours that have been circulating in this building now for many many years?" she asked.

"Dangerous path to go down and you know it."

Senator Cash did not provide any details about the rumours, who they related to, nor what they are about.

Soon after the exchange, Labor senator Penny Wong intervened and told Senator Cash to withdraw the "disgraceful remarks impugning the staff working for the Leader of the Opposition".

Senator Cash then withdrew the comments "if anyone had been offended by them".

But the exchange is yet another example of the change in tone at Parliament House, and increased scrutiny of people's private lives, in the wake of the Barnaby Joyce scandal and overhaul of Ministerial standards.

Lines of questioning which would previously have been deemed unseemly are now becoming more common, from Nationals senator Barry O'Sullivan threatening to name MPs having affairs to defence chiefs being quizzed about the relationships of senior military officers.

Senator Cash said she was trying to highlight the fact rumours circulate around Parliament House and are not necessarily true.

But she is also sensitive to questions about her staff after her media officer tipped off journalists to a raid on the Australian Workers' Union offices last year and was forced to resign as a result.

Her chief of staff quit soon after but she told Senate estimates his replacement was "well qualified and has been taken on board because of the skill set they will bring to my office".
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