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Trickyonne
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Posted - 06 Jun 2019 :  18:12:33  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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i think if somebody is leaking confidential and classified information they need to be held to account....
It depends, and they often are - but do you mean more like China, N Korea and other totalitarian states? For example, most people in China have no idea that the Tiananmen massacre by Chinese government troops ever occurred. Most Australians would be totally outraged if our news was censored like that.

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That war discussion and even the Police raids seem out of place in a near 600 page topic about Libs vs ALP.

This thread was started as 'Libs vs ALP' but has become a general discussion of Australian politics over the past 8-9 years.

These AFP raids are due to government policy, but I don't know that it makes any difference who was in power when the alleged atrocities happened. Both sides have almost identical policies about leaks from 'insiders' to the media, but we do need to separate matters of national security from matters such as those being investigated by the AFP into the ABC and the News Ltd journo. Neither of those involve national security. I wouldn't support these matters being censored, but equally, I wouldn't want news being released that could affect Australia's security - such as those alleged WikiLeaks about the USA. OTOH, without good journalism, Richard Nixon would never have been exposed.

PS to karter: Def wrong thread/, take your pick, but a dedicated thread for every bit of anti-Islam news you can find would be great for at least two regular posters.




So Zac the Australian government in your view should not have anything classified ?...other wise we will end up like North Korea ?

I saw your reply zaccy....so if the AFP see a leak or a breach they shouldnít be investigating it or we will be like China ?

Really canít see your point at all......AFP doesnít have a job to investigate the crime ?

And BTW...not sure your personal attack was warranted


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Posted - 06 Jun 2019 :  19:07:28  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
You can't see my point at all?

Fair enough. I tried.
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Posted - 06 Jun 2019 :  19:10:27  Show Profile Send Jam3s a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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You can't see my point at all?


you seem surprised by that
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Posted - 06 Jun 2019 :  19:14:52  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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You can't see my point at all?

Fair enough. I tried.



No zaccy....perhaps clarify it a bit more ?....clearly you have missed my questions
Letís ttry just 1 eh ?

Do you believe the AFP should not investigate breaches of classified information ?

Nice easy one champion

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Posted - 06 Jun 2019 :  20:50:29  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The quality of posting in this thread leaves a lot to be desired.
Lift your game quickly.
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Posted - 06 Jun 2019 :  20:56:32  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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The quality of posting in this thread leaves a lot to be desired.
Lift your game quickly.



I agree

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Posted - 06 Jun 2019 :  23:39:22  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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No zaccy....perhaps clarify it a bit more ?....clearly you have missed my questions
Letís ttry just 1 eh ?

Do you believe the AFP should not investigate breaches of classified information ?

Nice easy one champion

My answer is still: "It depends".

You originally stated: "I think if somebody is leaking confidential and classified information they need to be held to account."

I responded: "It depends, and they often are - but do you mean more like China, N Korea and other totalitarian states?"

Without leakers and whistle-blowers, a lot of corrupt, illegal and immoral behaviour within governments and government departments would never be uncovered, and such crimes would continue and increase, and go unpunished. Governments making tougher laws and giving greater powers to government agencies to prevent corrupt, illegal and/or immoral behaviour being unearthed will never completely stop leakers and whistle-blowers. Some leakers and whistle-blowers will use their information for the wrong reasons, and some will leak information which should not be leaked, such as matters of national security. Some will be unable to define the difference. The AFP can investigate breaches of classified information, decide which is which, and charge if they see fit to do so. IMHO - and in the opinion of many, they're not doing that very well at the moment. Then there's the journalists who have the power to publish that information. Some may not know how to use that information, and some people may well believe that journalists might have anti-government agendas, or ask why journalists should be the arbiters of what the public is told.

It's a controversial and complex topic and now , but I hope I have answered your question.


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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-upper-house-to-hold-inquiry-into-northern-beaches-hospital-20190606-p51v9q.html

Thank God! People need to understand how bad it is up there...Admissions to the Public Nrth Shore are up over %30....spent some time there lately, very eye opening....and concerning....

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The quality of posting in this thread leaves a lot to be desired.
Lift your game quickly.



I agree



It'd be great if you could help.
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Posted - 07 Jun 2019 :  13:33:29  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

The quality of posting in this thread leaves a lot to be desired.
Lift your game quickly.



I agree



It'd be great if you could help.



All ready on the job LG

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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-upper-house-to-hold-inquiry-into-northern-beaches-hospital-20190606-p51v9q.html

Thank God! People need to understand how bad it is up there...Admissions to the Public Nrth Shore are up over %30....spent some time there lately, very eye opening....and concerning....



I read the link thinking it was Royal North Shore.
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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  15:13:24  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
This link below shows the utter nonsense that is the AFP raids

https://youtu.be/BpyaL1Z6-7I

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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  15:53:03  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Nonsense?
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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  15:55:30  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Nonsense?



Did you watch the link ?....the ALP called for the investigation then claims itís a conspiracy ....

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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  17:40:13  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Yes I watched the link hence the question...
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