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REM
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Posted - 12 Dec 2016 :  08:15:38  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
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While we're questioning the honesty of...
Various media, the CIA, Bernie Sanders, Democrats in general, biased websites (but excluding strange places like redstate, thefederalist, thehill, etc.), the one person whose honesty is seriously being questioned is the President elect. Not only questioned by these so-called "leftists" and their leftist media, but by people from all areas of politics - including many who voted for him, and now watch as he backs away from the many things he said that prompted them to give him their vote. No number of links to strange, right wing websites can alter that. Politicians lie. We all know that, but this guy has brought lying to a whole new level. He quotes non-existent facts, and when his "facts" are questioned, he just says things like "Wrong!" without offering any substance to back up his lies. Try googling 'Donald Trump lies'. There are hundreds, many hundreds of lies listed, covering almost everything Donald Trump has ever spoken about. Try googling 'Barack Obama lies', or 'Hillary Clinton lies'. Yes, there are various websites listing them, but they pale into insignificance compared to the links for this bloke - and he's not even President yet. The other two have been under political media scrutiny for at least a decade in Obama's case, and far longer for Clinton.

Donald Trump has raised political lying to a whole new level. Way beyond anything we have seen in our lifetimes. We could be kind, and say that these lies are more like "off the cuff" remarks, but when these "remarks" cause people to react, apart from bellowing "Wrong! Wrong!", he offers some kind of 'clarification' that blames the listener's outrage on their "misunderstanding" of what he has said. He has also mocked American heroes, belittled people with disabilities and demeaned women. Maybe all his lies are insignificant in comparison.







The only credible response to you Zac is "WRONG-TOTALLY BIASED!!!"......

Did you know he won the EC vote by only 80,000...but lost the popular vote by 2.7 Million....no wonder he and his followers are insecure and making up wacky theories...crazy country that USA!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



Edited by - REM on 12 Dec 2016 08:25:43
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Posted - 12 Dec 2016 :  15:57:25  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

The only credible response to you Zac is "WRONG-TOTALLY BIASED!!!"......
Yeah, well there's a lot of that going around.

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Originally posted by Legendary GerryI would like to know how Boeing's $170 million contract for developing new presidential planes can be over budget by $4billion.
The actual contract to build the planes is $1.65 billion and it's only a month old.
Sounds like hot air and figures are being pulled out of his arse.
Hmm. Maybe not a lie, but just the usual Trump exaggeration.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/boeing-responds-after-trump-knocks-contract-for-air-force-one-jets-174029191.html

Here's another one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/11/trumps-claim-about-canadians-traveling-to-the-united-states-for-medical-care/?utm_term=.f371bfcd60e2 Trump claimed that Canadians cross the border into the USA to have surgery because the Canadian health system is so slow. Only 0.15% of the Canadian population travel outside Canada (not necessarily to the USA) for operations - and a lot of that 0.15% are seeking non-urgent procedures, such as plastic surgery in Asian countries. Many of those few who do travel into the USA for surgery do so because the Canadian system is based on need and urgency, rather than where someone may be on any waiting list.

Neither the Boeing one nor the Canadian Health one are really lies on the Trumpian scale. They're just his usual exaggerations, and IF anyone managed to pick him up on either, he'd probably do his usual bluff and bluster anyway. I don't think most Americans (including those who voted for him) really take much notice of these things. They're becoming used to it. It's just the Donald way.


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Yawn. Guess those WMDs were real then! And the Iraq war was a good idea!

I mean, hey, questioning them would be indulging totally biased conspiracy theories smearing the CIA, right?

Funny how "truth" flips to the opposite the moment Trump says something, huh?

I wonder if it could be because trust in media is lower than it is for Trump?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

Only 32% of Americans have a great deal of trust in the media

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/trumps-favorability-rating-jumps-17-points-new-high

While 50% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Trump in December. So much for that groundswell of animosity for Trump, looks like the media is demonstrably more unpopular.

Oh right I forgot, Zaccy, excluding strange places like... anything that disagrees with you?


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Posted - 12 Dec 2016 :  23:54:08  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Thanks for the opposingviews.com link. According to what that tells us, Trump's approval rating has soared 17 percentage points, up to 50%. That's pretty darn good. It's not quite the 78% approval rating that Barack Obama had in the same period of his presidency. That is, the time between winning the election and actually having to do stuff. Right now, while Trump soars to 50%, Obama's approval rating is at 54%, after 8 years as President. (Well, it's your link.) Maybe the 79% of respondents who want Donald to be less confrontational will help him decide to keep backing down on the confrontational stuff, and help his approval ratings get more like Obama's.

I don't think comparing The Donald's lies to previous liar's lies, or comparing him to the media will make him look any better. Well, maybe if he eases up on the lies, the exaggerations, and the media it might. He's about to become President, and it's almost time for him to start acting like one.

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Posted - 14 Dec 2016 :  18:14:55  Show Profile Send karter a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Yeah definitely not as good a president as Obama. He had a Nobel prize by now hadn't he?
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Posted - 15 Dec 2016 :  09:19:42  Show Profile  Click to see Wrighty05's MSN Messenger address Send Wrighty05 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Trump supported the Iraq war anyway.

Reaches for can of worms

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RIP LJ - loved and never forgotten.

"It was dry for the second go-around. Grice, nervous, worrying about his Bathurst jinx, ran 2:25.9. The amazing Brock, using every last centimetre of bitumen, yet keeping the car straight and balanced and at full noise, came back with a staggering 2:20.0 as if to say: "Match that". And people just shook their heads, bit their lips and wondered who would be second".

The Peter Brock trophy is now where it belongs.
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Posted - 15 Dec 2016 :  09:29:50  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Wrighty05

Trump supported the Iraq war anyway.

Reaches for can of worms



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Posted - 17 Dec 2016 :  14:58:52  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Is there more and more evidence that Russia played a part in getting Trump almost elected to the top job or is it just a case of more untrustworthy news services?


http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/12/17/07/06/fbi-cia-agree-russia-hacks-aimed-to-boost-trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putins-personal-grudge-against-her-for-election-interference/2016/12/16/12f36250-c3be-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?utm_term=.edd1453eea4a


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Posted - 17 Dec 2016 :  16:01:38  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

Is there more and more evidence that Russia played a part in getting Trump almost elected to the top job or is it just a case of more untrustworthy news services?


http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/12/17/07/06/fbi-cia-agree-russia-hacks-aimed-to-boost-trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putins-personal-grudge-against-her-for-election-interference/2016/12/16/12f36250-c3be-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?utm_term=.edd1453eea4a





Given that the FBI were doing everything possible to undermine Clinton leading up to the election.....this is a huge admission from them....!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
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Posted - 17 Dec 2016 :  16:14:52  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

Is there more and more evidence that Russia played a part in getting Trump almost elected to the top job or is it just a case of more untrustworthy news services?


http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/12/17/07/06/fbi-cia-agree-russia-hacks-aimed-to-boost-trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putins-personal-grudge-against-her-for-election-interference/2016/12/16/12f36250-c3be-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?utm_term=.edd1453eea4a





Given that the FBI were doing everything possible to undermine Clinton leading up to the election.....this is a huge admission from them....!



I didn't mention that REM because I wasn't sure of the legitimacy of the sources...
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Posted - 17 Dec 2016 :  17:15:50  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

Is there more and more evidence that Russia played a part in getting Trump almost elected to the top job or is it just a case of more untrustworthy news services?


http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/12/17/07/06/fbi-cia-agree-russia-hacks-aimed-to-boost-trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putins-personal-grudge-against-her-for-election-interference/2016/12/16/12f36250-c3be-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?utm_term=.edd1453eea4a





Given that the FBI were doing everything possible to undermine Clinton leading up to the election.....this is a huge admission from them....!



I didn't mention that REM because I wasn't sure of the legitimacy of the sources...



There can only ever be one truly legitimate source!...and frankly, to quote him....I'm starting to suspect that this site is RIGGED!!!.....and TOTALLY BIASED!!!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.


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Posted - 17 Dec 2016 :  17:21:08  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well played!
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Posted - 18 Dec 2016 :  06:30:03  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
People who say Russia interfered with the US election:

* White house
* FBI
* CIA
* NSA
* DNC
* Clinton

People who say no way

* Trump



That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



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Posted - 18 Dec 2016 :  06:45:21  Show Profile Send karter a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Pretty sure the Russians say they didn't interfere too....
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Posted - 24 Dec 2016 :  06:29:18  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
"What the world needs for Xmas is more nukes!" Thanks America, we love this reasoned, sane man!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.


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