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Posted - 07 Dec 2016 :  17:54:48  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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When one can't refute the logic...blindly attack the source....eh? Very Trumpian....


This is my favorite bit:

"This is patently false," said Costas Panagopoulos, a Fordham University political scientist. "There would need to be a massive national conspiracy and coordination effort to do this, and illegal aliens would need to be on the voter rolls in states across the country months earlier to be eligible to vote. It is also very convenient the estimated fraudulent vote is just enough to give Trump the popular vote. Not likely a coincidence."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/28/donald-trump/donald-trumps-pants-fire-claim-millions-illegal-vo/







When one can't refute observation of bias...blindly accuse the critic of discrimination....eh? Very leftist....

https://i.sli.mg/rz8lcv.jpg

Bernie says black youth unemployment is around 50% and they say it's true. When Trump says it, suddenly it's false.

Politifact has a whole website devoted to its selective "truth":

http://www.politifactbias.com/search?updated-max=2016-11-03T13:01:00-07:00&max-results=7


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Posted - 07 Dec 2016 :  19:58:47  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
So give the shifting in tactics and avoidance of the analysis.....it seems safe to accept that there is not a shred of evidence to support Trumps claims of massive voter fraud...

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.


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Posted - 07 Dec 2016 :  21:56:21  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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So give the shifting in tactics and avoidance of the analysis.....it seems safe to accept that there is not a shred of evidence to support Trumps claims of massive voter fraud...



I can understand why you couldn't find any evidence, you're living in the same fantasy land of leftist media where Hillary couldn't lose.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

You love studies, right? So you should agree with this one that found many illegals voted in the last elections.

Electoral Studies - Volume 36, December 2014, Pages 149157

quote:
"We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.


http://www.redstate.com/california_yankee/2016/11/28/team-trump-offers-evidence-for-millions-voting-illegally/

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/291405-clinton-campaign-to-launch-dreamer-voter-drive

quote:
The Hillary Clinton campaign is launching a new program that will organize so-called DREAmers, undocumented children brought to the U.S. by their parents, to register voters.


Looks like pretty conclusive evidence that illegals were getting involved in the electoral process. Of course, maybe it never entered the alternate reality where Hillary won.



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Posted - 08 Dec 2016 :  19:38:58  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
2 Republican aligned websites, one showing that this election was no different to proceeding ones(voters who are no longer valid- is that illegal?) and one stating that media should promote their agenda more....I'm still not seeing any evidence to support Donny? Nor any evidence on which way unlawful voters trend (as the Political Science Professor pointed out)...not one shred of evidence......just a bunch of ass-umptions and speculation!


Edit: Look out....those very claims on Redstate have been fact-checked:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/

This is really well researched and evidence documented read....

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



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Posted - 08 Dec 2016 :  20:31:00  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

2 Republican aligned websites, one showing that this election was no different to proceeding ones(voters who are no longer valid- is that illegal?) and one stating that media should promote their agenda more....I'm still not seeing any evidence to support Donny? Nor any evidence on which way unlawful voters trend (as the Political Science Professor pointed out)...not one shred of evidence......just a bunch of ass-umptions and speculation!


Edit: Look out....those very claims on Redstate have been fact-checked:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/

This is really well researched and evidence documented read....




So you admit the study proved illegals DO vote in US elections? Coupled with Clinton's program that literally had ILLEGAL migrants dealing with voter registration?

Looks a lot more like we have two established facts, which you agree with, from which we can draw inferences about illegals voting.

And *another* left leaning website with "fact" in the title as though that removes their bias!? Must be true then! How many more of these truefactyfactfactiod.com non-news sites do you have?

Meanwhile, the Democrats are nominating a known anti-semite to lead their party. B-but Trump is Hitler?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/04/democratic-donor-keith-ellison-clearly-an-anti-semite/


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Posted - 08 Dec 2016 :  21:07:16  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by 27GV

quote:
Originally posted by REM

2 Republican aligned websites, one showing that this election was no different to proceeding ones(voters who are no longer valid- is that illegal?) and one stating that media should promote their agenda more....I'm still not seeing any evidence to support Donny? Nor any evidence on which way unlawful voters trend (as the Political Science Professor pointed out)...not one shred of evidence......just a bunch of ass-umptions and speculation!


Edit: Look out....those very claims on Redstate have been fact-checked:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/

This is really well researched and evidence documented read....




So you admit the study proved illegals DO vote in US elections? Coupled with Clinton's program that literally had ILLEGAL migrants dealing with voter registration?

Looks a lot more like we have two established facts, which you agree with, from which we can draw inferences about illegals voting.

And *another* left leaning website with "fact" in the title as though that removes their bias!? Must be true then! How many more of these truefactyfactfactiod.com non-news sites do you have?

Meanwhile, the Democrats are nominating a known anti-semite to lead their party. B-but Trump is Hitler?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/04/democratic-donor-keith-ellison-clearly-an-anti-semite/



I would assume that a small amount of people in any and all elections vote illegally, as generally accepted......I would not assume how they vote....I get that you don't want to engage with the academics and any form of facts or research.....but seem more than happy to hitch up with any wild speculation, tabloids, youtube, Republican affiliated sites and Wiki.....your utter and completely uncritical support of the Trump should have lead me to this conclusion much quicker!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



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Posted - 08 Dec 2016 :  21:11:08  Show Profile Send Zac a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
One thing I'm liking about Donald Trump, is that now he's won the Presidency, a lot of the huff 'n puff he went on with during his campaign has disappeared. He's backed off on a lot of his lurid promises (and earned the ire of a lot of those who supported him by doing so). The way he's going, he may settle down to being almost sensible by the time he's actually the President.

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Posted - 10 Dec 2016 :  17:53:47  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by 27GV

quote:
Originally posted by REM

2 Republican aligned websites, one showing that this election was no different to proceeding ones(voters who are no longer valid- is that illegal?) and one stating that media should promote their agenda more....I'm still not seeing any evidence to support Donny? Nor any evidence on which way unlawful voters trend (as the Political Science Professor pointed out)...not one shred of evidence......just a bunch of ass-umptions and speculation!


Edit: Look out....those very claims on Redstate have been fact-checked:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/

This is really well researched and evidence documented read....




So you admit the study proved illegals DO vote in US elections? Coupled with Clinton's program that literally had ILLEGAL migrants dealing with voter registration?

Looks a lot more like we have two established facts, which you agree with, from which we can draw inferences about illegals voting.

And *another* left leaning website with "fact" in the title as though that removes their bias!? Must be true then! How many more of these truefactyfactfactiod.com non-news sites do you have?

Meanwhile, the Democrats are nominating a known anti-semite to lead their party. B-but Trump is Hitler?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/04/democratic-donor-keith-ellison-clearly-an-anti-semite/



I would assume that a small amount of people in any and all elections vote illegally, as generally accepted......I would not assume how they vote....I get that you don't want to engage with the academics and any form of facts or research.....but seem more than happy to hitch up with any wild speculation, tabloids, youtube, Republican affiliated sites and Wiki.....your utter and completely uncritical support of the Trump should have lead me to this conclusion much quicker!



I was the first person to post a genuine, unbiased study into illegal voting patterns, which confirmed the presence of illegal voters in such numbers to sway elections.

You were the one who started forcing all manner of biased left leaning non-media websites and even a Bernie Facebook page to justify your position, and now you're claiming to be the advocate for academia?

The entire suite of media sites in your little leftist bubble were eager to dismiss reality itself if it affirmed anything Trump said:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/19/trump-wastes-no-time-in-blaming-terrorism-for-egyptair-crash/?utm_term=.f093a0b0cfc3

So much so, that they whipped themselves into a frenzy where anything, no matter how established, became RACIST BIGOTRY if it supported Trump:



The fact you're trying to present these websites as "academic" after they have been so ultimately exposed makes you either an idiot or a person who thinks they're better at spin than they truly are.

Trump won, much to the dismay of spin artists who tried to create a fake reality like this:

http://boingboing.net/2016/10/19/trumps-chances-of-winning-si.html





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Posted - 10 Dec 2016 :  18:00:03  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
On the subject of spin artists, do you think Trump will have the CIA onside?

http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2016/12/10/14/11/cia-says-russia-intervened-to-help-trump-win-white-house
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Posted - 10 Dec 2016 :  18:02:23  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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On the subject of spin artists, do you think Trump will have the CIA onside?

http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2016/12/10/14/11/cia-says-russia-intervened-to-help-trump-win-white-house



Haven't people been talking about fake news recently?

Seems "unnamed sources" is a good place to start. I seem to recall they were behind the 100% true WMDs in Iraq. Of course, those were real, right?

Edit: Quite ****ing literally LOOOOOOL

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/heres-the-full-version-of-the-cias-2002-intelligence-assessment-on-wmd-in-iraq-2015-3?r=US&IR=T

A "CIA report" was the basis for the WMDs and Iraq War. How fast will REM back-flip about their worthiness now?


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Posted - 10 Dec 2016 :  19:21:35  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
It seems that whatever you post is the absolute truth, regardless of the sources, and whatever anyone else posts is fake...
See a pattern here.



...and what the **** does WMDs have to do with Trump?

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That is a new member of Trumps cabinet.
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Posted - 10 Dec 2016 :  21:33:39  Show Profile Send 27GV a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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It seems that whatever you post is the absolute truth, regardless of the sources, and whatever anyone else posts is fake...
See a pattern here.



...and what the **** does WMDs have to do with Trump?



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/spy-agencies-flawed-information-saddam-wmds-iraq-chilcot

We should always trust the CIA hmmmmmmmm?

Even REM should like this source.

As for the "hacks" I'll believe them when the CIA produces those Iraqi WMDs

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm



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While we're questioning the honesty of...
Various media, the CIA, Bernie Sanders, Democrats in general, biased websites (but excluding strange places like redstate, thefederalist, thehill, etc.), the one person whose honesty is seriously being questioned is the President elect. Not only questioned by these so-called "leftists" and their leftist media, but by people from all areas of politics - including many who voted for him, and now watch as he backs away from the many things he said that prompted them to give him their vote. No number of links to strange, right wing websites can alter that. Politicians lie. We all know that, but this guy has brought lying to a whole new level. He quotes non-existent facts, and when his "facts" are questioned, he just says things like "Wrong!" without offering any substance to back up his lies. Try googling 'Donald Trump lies'. There are hundreds, many hundreds of lies listed, covering almost everything Donald Trump has ever spoken about. Try googling 'Barack Obama lies', or 'Hillary Clinton lies'. Yes, there are various websites listing them, but they pale into insignificance compared to the links for this bloke - and he's not even President yet. The other two have been under political media scrutiny for at least a decade in Obama's case, and far longer for Clinton.

Donald Trump has raised political lying to a whole new level. Way beyond anything we have seen in our lifetimes. We could be kind, and say that these lies are more like "off the cuff" remarks, but when these "remarks" cause people to react, apart from bellowing "Wrong! Wrong!", he offers some kind of 'clarification' that blames the listener's outrage on their "misunderstanding" of what he has said. He has also mocked American heroes, belittled people with disabilities and demeaned women. Maybe all his lies are insignificant in comparison.




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I would like to know how Trump worked out that Boeing's $170 million contract for developing new presidential planes can be over budget by $4 billion.
The actual contract to build the planes is $1.65 billion and it's only a month old.
Sounds like hot air and figures being pulled out of his arse!

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