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Trickyonne
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Posted - 18 Jan 2018 :  15:46:09  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

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Originally posted by CP

It might be INSIGHTful for the DJR Team Penske fans to follow the LEGENDs new ODYSSEY as it while it is their CIVIC duty, some may do so at their own ACCORD.


Are Honda really a shot though? Would certainly shake up the Supercars stereotype. If Honda jump in will Nissan stay?





I think it would more than likely be another brand...oh what a feeling !

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Posted - 18 Jan 2018 :  16:26:47  Show Profile Send Playle40 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by hooked_on

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Originally posted by Playle40

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Originally posted by skaifeman

http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/penske-looking-beyond-ford-as-mustang-hopes-fade/

Surely, if Nissan were any chance of sticking around, you'd have to jump on these guys.





The interesting thing is that mondeo doesnít seem to be being investigated as a possible option. The mustang definitely seems like itís not going to happen. Maybe Ford want out of Supercars completely and the way to do it is not approve any Ford model whatever it is.



Ford have been out of Supercars since 2015



Yeah I know that, they havenít provided any support since 2015 but have allowed teams to use the Falcon still. My point is that they might have decided they donít want their badge represented in any fashion in the series and by not approving future models for use, this is their way of fading out the ford badge in supercars
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CP
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Posted - 18 Jan 2018 :  17:10:02  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by CP

It might be INSIGHTful for the DJR Team Penske fans to follow the LEGENDs new ODYSSEY as it while it is their CIVIC duty, some may do so at their own ACCORD.


Are Honda really a shot though? Would certainly shake up the Supercars stereotype. If Honda jump in will Nissan stay?





Penske are the Honda team in IMSA, so its a little more likely than a Blue Oval return.
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Tasv8
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Posted - 18 Jan 2018 :  17:25:18  Show Profile Send Tasv8 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by CP

quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by CP

It might be INSIGHTful for the DJR Team Penske fans to follow the LEGENDs new ODYSSEY as it while it is their CIVIC duty, some may do so at their own ACCORD.


Are Honda really a shot though? Would certainly shake up the Supercars stereotype. If Honda jump in will Nissan stay?





Penske are the Honda team in IMSA, so its a little more likely than a Blue Oval return.





They have a whole lot more Fords in the NASCAR Monster Cup and Xfinity series.
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Posted - 18 Jan 2018 :  19:19:52  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Playle40

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Ford have been out of Supercars since 2015



Yeah I know that, they havenít provided any support since 2015 but have allowed teams to use the Falcon still. ...
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No they (Ford) have not!

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Playle40
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quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by Playle40

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Ford have been out of Supercars since 2015



Yeah I know that, they havenít provided any support since 2015 but have allowed teams to use the Falcon still. ...



No they (Ford) have not
[/quote]

Then why is it still racing? If that was the case they would have done a Volvo and prevented Team Penske and Tickford from running the cars.
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Legendary Gerry
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quote:
Originally posted by Playle40

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by Playle40

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Ford have been out of Supercars since 2015



Yeah I know that, they havenít provided any support since 2015 but have allowed teams to use the Falcon still. ...



No they (Ford) have not



Then why is it still racing? If that was the case they would have done a Volvo and prevented Team Penske and Tickford from running the cars.
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Totally different ownership and sponsorship arrangements.
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troy01505
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Posted - 19 Jan 2018 :  07:34:29  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

quote:
Originally posted by Playle40

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by Playle40

...
Ford have been out of Supercars since 2015



Yeah I know that, they havenít provided any support since 2015 but have allowed teams to use the Falcon still. ...



No they (Ford) have not



Then why is it still racing? If that was the case they would have done a Volvo and prevented Team Penske and Tickford from running the cars.



Totally different ownership and sponsorship arrangements.
[/quote]

Exactly, Volvo do things the smart way and keep full ownership and control unlike Nissan, Ford or Holden who have no ownership of anything and just provide cash, panels and a few other benifits.

Seems Ford really want nothing to do with Supercars anymore so not sure why supercars are not approaching manafacturers to see what they would want out of the sport rather then trying to just create an entertainment extravaganza!

Be very interesting to Watch the new 23red racing this year. Lucas is not really a smart decision maker but Munday seems like a bloke that knows what he wants and how to implement it all to climb up the grid. I reckon theyíll go from the far back of the grid to knocking on the door of the top 10 by mid year.

The Red bull car looks ****ing awesome so far, hopefully we are not seeing the only good bits of the car
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oldtimer
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Does anyone seriously believe that the Penske organisation has not been talking sponsorship with several car manufacturers, on behalf of DJR/TP, for several years now.

Ford have been out for years and have been very clear that they would not be coming back. The Mustang stories have just been an opportunity for PR releases and lots of speculation and any other Ford model was just as unlikely.

Ford said no cash and Penske says only with cash.

By 2019, we will find out which car company DJR/TP has been in contract negotiations with for some time.

http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/penske-looking-beyond-ford-as-mustang-hopes-fade/
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REM
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Posted - 19 Jan 2018 :  11:30:12  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by oldtimer

Does anyone seriously believe that the Penske organisation has not been talking sponsorship with several car manufacturers, on behalf of DJR/TP, for several years now.

Ford have been out for years and have been very clear that they would not be coming back. The Mustang stories have just been an opportunity for PR releases and lots of speculation and any other Ford model was just as unlikely.

Ford said no cash and Penske says only with cash.

By 2019, we will find out which car company DJR/TP has been in contract negotiations with for some time.

http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/penske-looking-beyond-ford-as-mustang-hopes-fade/



Does anybody seriously believe that if Penske has had any genuine expression of interest the deal would not have been done? The fact is that any manufacturer with a half a brain, would have observed Mercedes, Volvo, Ford and what is happening to Nissan and gone this series is a colossal waste of money....there is clearly no link to increased cars sales, the supporters are pretty much died in the wool red and blue fans.......go and check out the reaction on the DJRTP Penske supporters site.......it ain't pretty looking forward for DJRTP without Ford....I reckon Roger(and the series in general) has a real problem......what would merchandise sales be worth to the team?

Redbull clips your wings!

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You've just seen...."the heartstoppin', pants-droppin', hard rockin', booty shakin', earth quakin', love makin', viagra takin', history makin', legendary E STREET BAND!!!

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ERM 31/3/2008.....Godspeed Big fella




Edited by - REM on 19 Jan 2018 11:31:34
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troy01505
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Posted - 19 Jan 2018 :  11:38:22  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

Does anyone seriously believe that the Penske organisation has not been talking sponsorship with several car manufacturers, on behalf of DJR/TP, for several years now.

Ford have been out for years and have been very clear that they would not be coming back. The Mustang stories have just been an opportunity for PR releases and lots of speculation and any other Ford model was just as unlikely.

Ford said no cash and Penske says only with cash.

By 2019, we will find out which car company DJR/TP has been in contract negotiations with for some time.

http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/penske-looking-beyond-ford-as-mustang-hopes-fade/



Does anybody seriously believe that if Penske has had any genuine expression of interest the deal would not have been done? The fact is that any manufacturer with a half a brain, would have observed Mercedes, Volvo, Ford and what is happening to Nissan and gone this series is a colossal waste of money....there is clearly no link to increased cars sales, the supporters are pretty much died in the wool red and blue fans.......go and check out the reaction on the DJRTP Penske supporters site.......it ain't pretty looking forward for DJRTP without Ford....I reckon Roger(and the series in general) has a real problem......what would merchandise sales be worth to the team?



Penske would not of bought in if they didnít have some sort of plan to get by without manafacturer backing, Nissan will pull out from atleast the Kellyís at contracts end as they clearly canít get the thing going. They may jump on Penske if they stick around.

But yes I agree the series is in serious trouble in coming years unless they actually do something that relates the sport to boosting sales.
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REM
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Posted - 19 Jan 2018 :  11:41:13  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

Does anyone seriously believe that the Penske organisation has not been talking sponsorship with several car manufacturers, on behalf of DJR/TP, for several years now.

Ford have been out for years and have been very clear that they would not be coming back. The Mustang stories have just been an opportunity for PR releases and lots of speculation and any other Ford model was just as unlikely.

Ford said no cash and Penske says only with cash.

By 2019, we will find out which car company DJR/TP has been in contract negotiations with for some time.

http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/penske-looking-beyond-ford-as-mustang-hopes-fade/



Does anybody seriously believe that if Penske has had any genuine expression of interest the deal would not have been done? The fact is that any manufacturer with a half a brain, would have observed Mercedes, Volvo, Ford and what is happening to Nissan and gone this series is a colossal waste of money....there is clearly no link to increased cars sales, the supporters are pretty much died in the wool red and blue fans.......go and check out the reaction on the DJRTP Penske supporters site.......it ain't pretty looking forward for DJRTP without Ford....I reckon Roger(and the series in general) has a real problem......what would merchandise sales be worth to the team?



Penske would not of bought in if they didnít have some sort of plan to get by without manafacturer backing, Nissan will pull out from atleast the Kellyís at contracts end as they clearly canít get the thing going. They may jump on Penske if they stick around.

But yes I agree the series is in serious trouble in coming years unless they actually do something that relates the sport to boosting sales.



Only late last year....Roger was saying the series is based on red vs blue and needs this in order to survive....go figure.....I reckon he is in the money.....

Redbull clips your wings!

Chaz-2014 Bathurst Champion! "Cough ya bastard, cough!!!


You've just seen...."the heartstoppin', pants-droppin', hard rockin', booty shakin', earth quakin', love makin', viagra takin', history makin', legendary E STREET BAND!!!

"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.

ERM 31/3/2008.....Godspeed Big fella



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troy01505
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Posted - 19 Jan 2018 :  12:12:17  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

Does anyone seriously believe that the Penske organisation has not been talking sponsorship with several car manufacturers, on behalf of DJR/TP, for several years now.

Ford have been out for years and have been very clear that they would not be coming back. The Mustang stories have just been an opportunity for PR releases and lots of speculation and any other Ford model was just as unlikely.

Ford said no cash and Penske says only with cash.

By 2019, we will find out which car company DJR/TP has been in contract negotiations with for some time.

http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/penske-looking-beyond-ford-as-mustang-hopes-fade/



Does anybody seriously believe that if Penske has had any genuine expression of interest the deal would not have been done? The fact is that any manufacturer with a half a brain, would have observed Mercedes, Volvo, Ford and what is happening to Nissan and gone this series is a colossal waste of money....there is clearly no link to increased cars sales, the supporters are pretty much died in the wool red and blue fans.......go and check out the reaction on the DJRTP Penske supporters site.......it ain't pretty looking forward for DJRTP without Ford....I reckon Roger(and the series in general) has a real problem......what would merchandise sales be worth to the team?



Penske would not of bought in if they didnít have some sort of plan to get by without manafacturer backing, Nissan will pull out from atleast the Kellyís at contracts end as they clearly canít get the thing going. They may jump on Penske if they stick around.

But yes I agree the series is in serious trouble in coming years unless they actually do something that relates the sport to boosting sales.



Only late last year....Roger was saying the series is based on red vs blue and needs this in order to survive....go figure.....I reckon he is in the money.....



Perhaps but times have changes and Supercars ****ed up much the same way holden did with dropping the V8 so I guess people will just ride this thing out to the finish in the next few years.

Maybe when Supercars is done and dusted weíll have another V8 series with a whole different set of regs to entice both Ford and GM to use the Mustangs and Camaros in a series more suited to marketing and driving sales. I am surprised no one has attempted a new series yet along this format

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abhibeckert
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Posted - 19 Jan 2018 :  12:45:00  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I think red vs blue is a liability.

Only 16% of cars sold in Australia early last year were Holden or Ford, and presumably it's even worse today.

Supercars really needs to get Toyota and Mazda involved (those two make up 30% of the market) and hold onto Nissan (which is about equal to Ford at ~6%).

But the heavy focus on red vs blue by fans/media/major teams is driving away the biggest manufacturers.

A while ago Penske was rumoured to be talking to BMW. Why not Toyota or Mazda?

Edited by - abhibeckert on 19 Jan 2018 12:46:27
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Kieron302
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quote:
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I think red vs blue is a liability.

Only 16% of cars sold in Australia early last year were Holden or Ford, and presumably it's even worse today.

Supercars really needs to get Toyota and Mazda involved (those two make up 30% of the market) and hold onto Nissan (which is about equal to Ford at ~6%).



Might be the other way around though. Manufacturers doing well may not need to boost their image whereas, the lower ranking brands may need too.

quote:

But the heavy focus on red vs blue by fans/media/major teams is driving away the biggest manufacturers.



This is pretty much on the mark. The image of SC's is one of the issues. COTF made it easier for other marques to jump in, 3 came, 2 went, I can't see Nissan remaining and Ford Au as part of their long term brand re-positioning want to completely disassociate themselves with the SC image. I've also heard Holden wanted out but a few within fought for it, not sure if those people are still at Holden?



quote:

A while ago Penske was rumoured to be talking to BMW. Why not Toyota or Mazda?



I'm sure they are talking to all brands but which ones want to boost their image currently? both Toyota and Mazda are doing well in Aus, Kia could do with a performance image leg-up and possibly, a revamped Chrysler?
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