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Trickyonne
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Posted - 09 Jun 2019 :  19:47:54  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Our physical body goes to heaven as well - and in peak condition? Is there some new religion that believes that?

BTW, evolution is evidence based while creationism is definitely not. If evolution is not yet proven, how much proof do Christians want? Christianity and other religions have spent the past century or so grudgingly accepting evolution and coming up with 'theistic evolution'. That is, reconciling their beliefs with the evidence. OTOH, I haven't seen atheists grudgingly or otherwise giving up evolution and accepting the Bible's version of the beginning of humankind with the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve.



I was an atheist who gave up on evolution and accepted the bibles account...in fact churches are full of them.....

Evolution is not evidenced based, in fact it is opposite to scientific evidence base, thatís why is called the ďtheoryĒ of evolution because it has not been proven...

Back to your question on our bodyís,....from accounts I have read Iím lead to believe your heavenly body will be similar to the body you are in now, as you are made in the image of god....so wonít have wings ect

But it itís not a religion .... which is fine, these days we have grown men who have mental health issues who want to be called a woman ect...so if itís not a form of religion, what is it ?

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I haven't seen or known atheists give up on evolution and accept the Bible's account, but I accept that you do. I'd say that the numbers are well against you though.

If you say that evolution is not evidence based, then we will have to agree to disagree, and if you say that atheism is a form of religion, then we will have to agree to disagree on that as well.

http://www.nas.edu/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK230201/
https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/evolve/evolve_3.htm


https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religion
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/religion
https://www.yourdictionary.com/religion
https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/religion

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Trickyonne
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Posted - 09 Jun 2019 :  20:54:00  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Zac

I haven't seen or known atheists give up on evolution and accept the Bible's account, but I accept that you do. I'd say that the numbers are well against you though.

If you say that evolution is not evidence based, then we will have to agree to disagree, and if you say that atheism is a form of religion, then we will have to agree to disagree on that as well.

http://www.nas.edu/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK230201/
https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/evolve/evolve_3.htm


https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religion
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/religion
https://www.yourdictionary.com/religion
https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/religion




Problem with the links is I can dig up just as many disputing them (trust me, done it before)
However, if you can one day prove the theory (replicating it) then you will be a very rich man and nearly every religion will collapse

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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  07:44:34  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Facts and counter facts go on endlessly and theistic evolution is a synthesis...ultimately can God be proven? No! Conversely can everything that is true, be replicated and reduced to the scientific method? Likewise,...No

I would suggest that the greatest "evidence"(I prefer indicator) of the divine is ontological...an inherent global desire for the other and to seek meaning....many of us may be quick to scorn such as uneducated....perhaps, maybe they are just not distracted....

However, it is the paradox of religion that many who adhere to the fundamental interpretations, lack the fruit(or evidence) of such adherence...long-suffering, peace, patience,mercy, joy, grace etc

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
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So the best evidence of the existence of god is wishful thinking?

"I want god to exist, therefore he does."

Would that work for a 7 figure bank account do you think?

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Evolution has already been proven and accepted, which is probably why Christianity has come up with theistic evolution in its many forms. As the evidence of evolution became irrefutable, the story in Genesis of the creation of the Earth in six days became accepted as an allegory, like so many other stories in the Bible. It's only the creationists who remain unconvinced.

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So the best evidence of the existence of god is wishful thinking?

"I want god to exist, therefore he does."

Would that work for a 7 figure bank account do you think?



Lets try it this way Karter.....what is love to you? Where does it come from? How important is it to the human condition...? How do people live without it? What do you notice in people who lack love in their lives..? Be honest now...

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



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What is love? How was the Earth created? Who created God? Does God exist? Does V8 Central have the answers?

We need more facts - interesting ones, and fewer questions.
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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  09:01:18  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Zac

What is love? How was the Earth created? Who created God? Does God exist? Does V8 Central have the answers?

We need more facts - interesting ones, and fewer questions.




Haha...questions, and stories are the nutrient of life Zaccy...as you well know....

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  09:10:03  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Hereís a brain bender

Prove me something...anything

Zaccy, did you know that the bible spoke of a round earth thousands of years before man realised it ?

https://youtu.be/iaXAWuclvik

A lot of proof by evolutionist in the last 20 years have been proven to be false......I find the evolution v creation debate interesting, and I admire the evolution ministers for their strong stance .... problem is, despite what zaccy is saying it is not proven at all, neither is the creation theory

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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  10:27:17  Show Profile Send djr18fan a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Hereís a brain bender

Prove me something...anything

Zaccy, did you know that the bible spoke of a round earth thousands of years before man realised it ?

https://youtu.be/iaXAWuclvik

A lot of proof by evolutionist in the last 20 years have been proven to be false......I find the evolution v creation debate interesting, and I admire the evolution ministers for their strong stance .... problem is, despite what zaccy is saying it is not proven at all, neither is the creation theory



That would be because the alien civilization that brought life to our planet saw from space that it was round. They documented this but not everyone read it.

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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  10:52:55  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

Hereís a brain bender

Prove me something...anything

Zaccy, did you know that the bible spoke of a round earth thousands of years before man realised it ?

https://youtu.be/iaXAWuclvik

A lot of proof by evolutionist in the last 20 years have been proven to be false......I find the evolution v creation debate interesting, and I admire the evolution ministers for their strong stance .... problem is, despite what zaccy is saying it is not proven at all, neither is the creation theory



That would be because the alien civilization that brought life to our planet saw from space that it was round. They documented this but not everyone read it.



OK...well that's an interesting explination

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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  11:20:50  Show Profile Send karter a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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quote:
Originally posted by karter

So the best evidence of the existence of god is wishful thinking?

"I want god to exist, therefore he does."

Would that work for a 7 figure bank account do you think?



Lets try it this way Karter.....what is love to you? Where does it come from? How important is it to the human condition...? How do people live without it? What do you notice in people who lack love in their lives..? Be honest now...



Love is probably the product of chemicals, hormones, etc. in our blood stream and pheromones in the air.

Some people might live without it, I don't know. It's certainly not always a positive influence. Suicides and murders certainly do occur due to unrequited love.

What do I notice in people who lack love? Like who? How would I know?

Certainly some people turn to religion due to loneliness. Sometimes it might help, other times not.

But the fact that many people would really like there to be a god doesn't mean it exisis.
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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  11:57:58  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by karter

So the best evidence of the existence of god is wishful thinking?

"I want god to exist, therefore he does."

Would that work for a 7 figure bank account do you think?



Lets try it this way Karter.....what is love to you? Where does it come from? How important is it to the human condition...? How do people live without it? What do you notice in people who lack love in their lives..? Be honest now...



Love is probably the product of chemicals, hormones, etc. in our blood stream and pheromones in the air.

Some people might live without it, I don't know. It's certainly not always a positive influence. Suicides and murders certainly do occur due to unrequited love.

What do I notice in people who lack love? Like who? How would I know?

Certainly some people turn to religion due to loneliness. Sometimes it might help, other times not.

But the fact that many people would really like there to be a god doesn't mean it exisis.



yeah I agree with a lot of that...I think for me, if you had known me personally without god then with god in my life its like chalk and cheese...changed my outlook on life totally, changed the way I thought,spoke,behaved and forgave.

for me there is a huge difference between religion and having a relationship with god...which I know sounds weird but is true..

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Posted - 10 Jun 2019 :  12:54:09  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by karter

quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by karter

So the best evidence of the existence of god is wishful thinking?

"I want god to exist, therefore he does."

Would that work for a 7 figure bank account do you think?



Lets try it this way Karter.....what is love to you? Where does it come from? How important is it to the human condition...? How do people live without it? What do you notice in people who lack love in their lives..? Be honest now...



Love is probably the product of chemicals, hormones, etc. in our blood stream and pheromones in the air.

Some people might live without it, I don't know. It's certainly not always a positive influence. Suicides and murders certainly do occur due to unrequited love.

What do I notice in people who lack love? Like who? How would I know?

Certainly some people turn to religion due to loneliness. Sometimes it might help, other times not.

But the fact that many people would really like there to be a god doesn't mean it exisis.



Sure, but the reality that the majority of the globes population throughout time have had some sort of spiritual aspiration and yearning may well point to something beyond....and that the fact that many people do want there to be a god, also does not mean that one doesn't exist.....

Love, grace, forgiveness, peace....they are well beyond the realms of science....and enhance the quality and meaning of peoples lives...are they attributes or constructs.....ultimately, only you can judge...

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.


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