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bigem
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Posted - 28 Apr 2019 :  01:29:58  Show Profile Send bigem a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hot topic at the moment is aerodynamics.
We have seen the Mustang changed without any scientific or tangible proof that the changes will do anything but slow it down purely on the fact that 888 are being flogged, not just by Mustang, but other Holden teams.
Is it time Ford demanded that all 3 cars be assessed in a wind tunnel?

If this is carried out, it would settle the issue I reckon.

The benefits would flow onto the Nissan, but most noticeably, it would nullify the ZBs high speed advantage.
Come on Ford, grow some balls! Demand Wind tunnel testing!

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I would like to see the cars go through straight line areo testing at Penske in the states...

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Posted - 28 Apr 2019 :  13:55:57  Show Profile Send djr18fan a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Nothing would satisfy some fans. (Or ex-fans who are boycotting the series).

If wind tunnel testing showed the Mustang had an advantage, there would still be complaints that the car met the rules when built. And/or that wind tunnel results aren't real world race track results.

_Mford

Edited by - djr18fan on 28 Apr 2019 13:57:06
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karter
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Posted - 28 Apr 2019 :  14:55:16  Show Profile Send karter a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The car did meet the rules when built.

But genuine, transparent testing, where the RESULTS ARE OPEN TO PUBLIC SCRUTINY would be better than this ad-hoc, guess as you go rubbish.

I mean, how could any fan have confidence in the current process when a team principal is howling "unfair!" just a couple of months after signing off on the test results?
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djr18fan
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Posted - 28 Apr 2019 :  15:28:02  Show Profile Send djr18fan a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by karter

The car did meet the rules when built.

But genuine, transparent testing, where the RESULTS ARE OPEN TO PUBLIC SCRUTINY would be better than this ad-hoc, guess as you go rubbish.

I mean, how could any fan have confidence in the current process when a team principal is howling "unfair!" just a couple of months after signing off on the test results?



No team principal's have howled 'unfair' after the CFD testing this month. Everyone accepts the coast down testing done before the start of the season does not check aero other than drag & down force below 201km/h

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karter
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Posted - 28 Apr 2019 :  15:38:47  Show Profile Send karter a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
FFS can you even read?
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abhibeckert
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Posted - 28 Apr 2019 :  20:45:10  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The problem with tunnel testing is it needs to be a tunnel capable of testing turning performance. None of the ones we have in Australia can do that - ours only test straight line and that’s less accurate than the coast down test anyway (air behaves slightly different in a confined space like a tunnel).

The ones they’d have to use are in the USA. Which means flying the car over for tests, then leaving them there long enough to develop modified aero bits for further testing. Basically proper wind tunnel testing during the season would require all the teams provide a test mule car and have a staff of engineers working stateside for months.

I don’t think it will happen.

Edited by - abhibeckert on 28 Apr 2019 20:47:17
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Posted - 29 Apr 2019 :  01:58:31  Show Profile Send FOX 42 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Such and easy fix.

Scrap the Aero!! No front undertray, no trailing side skirts, and a rear wing that creates drag but little to no downforce. All the testing should to try and make the drag the same between all cars.

Cars will race closer, slide around more and the show will improve.
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Posted - 29 Apr 2019 :  08:46:05  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by FOX 42

Such and easy fix.

Scrap the Aero!! No front undertray, no trailing side skirts, and a rear wing that creates drag but little to no downforce. All the testing should to try and make the drag the same between all cars.

Cars will race closer, slide around more and the show will improve.


You’d also have to add a rule that bans the team from designing a front bonnet/etc purpose built for racing.

And you’d have to block highly performance oriented cars (the Nissan GTR comes to mind) from taking part at all - since they’re basically a race car in stock form.

Edited by - abhibeckert on 29 Apr 2019 08:46:37
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karter
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Posted - 29 Apr 2019 :  09:44:38  Show Profile Send karter a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Why? A fast road car becomes a fast race car. Is that such a bad thing?
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Posted - 29 Apr 2019 :  12:08:23  Show Profile Send joe5619 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by karter

FFS can you even read?

Can you?
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karter
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Posted - 29 Apr 2019 :  12:14:23  Show Profile Send karter a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by karter

FFS can you even read?

Can you?



Who threw you a peanut?

If you could read, you'd see I mentioned a couple of months after testing.


I'd think it would be obvious to almost anyone that that would exclude THIS month, since a couple of months haven't past since this month have tbey?

Is that too complicated for you? I did try to keep it simple, but....
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djr18fan
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Posted - 29 Apr 2019 :  15:59:07  Show Profile Send djr18fan a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by karter

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by karter

FFS can you even read?

Can you?



Who threw you a peanut?

If you could read, you'd see I mentioned a couple of months after testing.


I'd think it would be obvious to almost anyone that that would exclude THIS month, since a couple of months haven't past since this month have tbey?

Is that too complicated for you? I did try to keep it simple, but....



Seems I need to explain my post:

I was pointing out that fans can have confidence in the current process (current process at the time of your & my post being changes made after CFD analysis) due to the fact that no team principals had complained after changes to the Mustang were made.


_Mford
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karter
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Posted - 29 Apr 2019 :  16:44:04  Show Profile Send karter a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Ford team principals already know there's no point them complaining. Nothing ever comes of it. Roland will wait and see. If his team still isn't winning I'm sure he'll have more to say.
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bigem
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Posted - 30 Apr 2019 :  23:09:28  Show Profile Send bigem a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Ford team principles have been told by Ford Performance to say nothing!
Some statements surfaced then disappeared on FB sites?
I also believe the Team principles have been over-ruled by the powers given to the Mustang Handicap Team in Supercars!
So DJR18fan, thats why nothing has been said. It's damaging SCs brand!

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Posted - 30 Apr 2019 :  23:51:15  Show Profile Send EgoFG a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Reality is: it is not what is being said that caused the damage - it is the symptom of the damage SC are doing themselves

Edited by - EgoFG on 01 May 2019 10:18:48
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