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JD
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Posted - 11 Jul 2019 :  18:32:08  Show Profile  Visit JD's Homepage Send JD a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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...The story referenced ballast and confirms how much was removed from the roof of both the Holden and the Ford.....
My last comment on this.

No harry and that is my point the story does NOT confirm how much was finally removed from the Mustang and that's all I wanted to know and wondered why this info was not provided as it was for the ZB.

It started with 27kg in the roof, less 9kg but no mention is made of what the final figure will be after steel roof beams are also installed in place and composite parts etc and why not !!!

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djr18fan
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Posted - 11 Jul 2019 :  19:10:47  Show Profile Send djr18fan a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by JD

quote:
Originally posted by Harry S
...The story referenced ballast and confirms how much was removed from the roof of both the Holden and the Ford.....
My last comment on this.

No harry and that is my point the story does NOT confirm how much was finally removed from the Mustang and that's all I wanted to know and wondered why this info was not provided as it was for the ZB.

It started with 27kg in the roof, less 9kg but no mention is made of what the final figure will be after steel roof beams are also installed in place and composite parts etc and why not !!!





To keep fans talking about supercars between races.

_Mford
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Posted - 11 Jul 2019 :  19:11:22  Show Profile Send Jam3s a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by JD

quote:
Originally posted by Harry S
...The story referenced ballast and confirms how much was removed from the roof of both the Holden and the Ford.....
My last comment on this.

No harry and that is my point the story does NOT confirm how much was finally removed from the Mustang and that's all I wanted to know and wondered why this info was not provided as it was for the ZB.

It started with 27kg in the roof, less 9kg but no mention is made of what the final figure will be after steel roof beams are also installed in place and composite parts etc and why not !!!



sure knowing the exact number would be nice but it doesn't really matter as they state there is no change to cog parity. If you beleive supercars are lying and there is a change to the COG parity then that's on you, go your hardest.
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skaifeman
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From the politician himself:


Other responses he gave people:
"This is parity and is achieved in a scientific and safe manner. We are happy with the outcome."
"It's all about matching Z heights. It's a scientific process and the outcome is a fair one."
"it's all about safely ensuring that the centre of gravity is equalized across the three makes. This is a really good thing taking the lead from the roof. Supercars have done a great job with this. We still need to meet minimum weight of 1395kg."

The Mustang has been dudded again.


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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Jam3s
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Posted - 12 Jul 2019 :  16:57:26  Show Profile Send Jam3s a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
i'm sure the usual suspects will continue to try their hardest to ensure they feel hard done by.
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AlbertM
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Posted - 28 Jul 2019 :  16:29:35  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Looks like Supercars got the desired result. The Mustangs can't turn in now.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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Posted - 28 Jul 2019 :  23:16:11  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Looks like Supercars got the desired result. The Mustangs can't turn in now.



I fail to see how lowering the Mustang's centre of gravity, which they have done, would prevent turn in,
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AlbertM
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Posted - 29 Jul 2019 :  01:12:21  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Ask the Ford drivers who have said they have struggled with turn in this weekend.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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Jam3s
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Posted - 29 Jul 2019 :  01:15:30  Show Profile Send Jam3s a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Ask the Ford drivers who have said they have struggled with turn in this weekend.

so you believe not only did supercar lie about maintaining cog parity and lowing cog for all cars but the Ford teams themselves who made videos about the changes and commented how tjey were happy with them were also full of it?

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AlbertM
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Posted - 29 Jul 2019 :  02:42:20  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The drivers were saying they lacked turn in, are they lying?

Supercars have made an unprecedented amount of changes in the name of parity this year including make up new rules regarding COG. I said a while back this is not about Holden v Ford. it's all a commercial decision to keep the championship alive until the last event. Can't sell tickets to a cliffhanger if it's already run and won.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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abhibeckert
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Posted - 29 Jul 2019 :  07:02:12  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
A Ford qualified on pole for both races.
A Ford set the fastest lap on both races.
A Ford and one Holden won each race.
Four podium finishes for Ford and two for Holden.

Seriously - how can you claim their car has been ruined by this change?

Nobody could make the car turn in - replays showed Whincup nursing the car with massive understeer on his winning race - he won because he was the only driver in the top 5 who pitted exactly half way through the race (lap 14). Scotty pitted 5 laps too early and had no pace at the end. Both leading Tickford cars pitted 5 laps too late and had to fight through the field - they couldnít chase Whincup down by the race end.

Triple 8 had a great weekend, but they were still slower than cars 17 and 55.
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troy01505
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Posted - 29 Jul 2019 :  07:41:35  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

A Ford qualified on pole for both races.
A Ford set the fastest lap on both races.
A Ford and one Holden won each race.
Four podium finishes for Ford and two for Holden.

Seriously - how can you claim their car has been ruined by this change?

Nobody could make the car turn in - replays showed Whincup nursing the car with massive understeer on his winning race - he won because he was the only driver in the top 5 who pitted exactly half way through the race (lap 14). Scotty pitted 5 laps too early and had no pace at the end. Both leading Tickford cars pitted 5 laps too late and had to fight through the field - they couldnít chase Whincup down by the race end.

Triple 8 had a great weekend, but they were still slower than cars 17 and 55.



Seems pretty fair to me. It's a shame people are still claiming Ford are being hard done by because as boring and predictable as it is, the cars are pretty equal right now and the drivers are the difference. This is what fans have been requesting since 2000s and now it is here they are feeling ripped off.

Apparently this is how the cars will run for the remainder of the season but we will see, there are a few people trying to justify their roles at Supercars and with that comes unnecessary bull****.
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joe5619
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Posted - 29 Jul 2019 :  07:47:43  Show Profile Send joe5619 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

A Ford qualified on pole for both races.
A Ford set the fastest lap on both races.
A Ford and one Holden won each race.
Four podium finishes for Ford and two for Holden.

Quoting this so everyone can read it again!!!
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REM
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Posted - 29 Jul 2019 :  08:18:12  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Seems to me that the Parc Ferme rule change has helped T8 more than the lead removal, now that everybody uses a race set up, they qualify quite well....the lack of qualifying speed has been their biggest issue....the rule change has been quite 'fortuitous' for them...

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



Edited by - REM on 29 Jul 2019 08:19:26
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AlbertM
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Posted - 29 Jul 2019 :  18:11:35  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Looks like nobody read my post. The changes are not to bring the cars to parity, it's to bring the championship race down to the wire. The subtle changes made are done to slow a run away leader that just happens to drive a Mustang. It's all about commercial interests. That's why they toss around $10K fines for paper posters on the podium.

The Nissan got a lower COG, the Holden COG hasn't changed but now have a little more lip on the spoilers, the Mustang got 20Kg moved to the roof. Now anyone that wants to argue that moving 20Kg to the roof of a race car makes no difference, I have a bridge to sell you.

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505


Apparently this is how the cars will run for the remainder of the season but we will see, there are a few people trying to justify their roles at Supercars and with that comes unnecessary bull****.

That was what Ford Performance said 2 changes ago.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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