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fordman
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Posted - 05 Aug 2019 :  07:58:04  Show Profile Send fordman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Bit hard to fathom when they claim they had it right then change it almost immediately???? sounds like they have employed a spin doctor in their press releases???
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skaifeman
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quote:
Originally posted by fordman

Bit hard to fathom when they claim they had it right then change it almost immediately???? sounds like they have employed a spin doctor in their press releases???


I wonder if Ryan was a part of the spin. He's certainly suggested it's a good thing.


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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fordman
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Posted - 05 Aug 2019 :  11:12:31  Show Profile Send fordman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by fordman

Bit hard to fathom when they claim they had it right then change it almost immediately???? sounds like they have employed a spin doctor in their press releases???


I wonder if Ryan was a part of the spin. He's certainly suggested it's a good thing.





More concerned about claiming they have it right then go and change it and not admit they didn't have it right to start with.
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abhibeckert
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Posted - 05 Aug 2019 :  13:52:19  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by fordman

More concerned about claiming they have it right then go and change it and not admit they didn't have it right to start with.


When did they say it was "right"? All they ever said was it would "equalise" the top to bottom weight distribution across the field.

There were plenty of concerns from safety (lead blocks might detach in a crash) to time wasting (in the Holden especially they're hard to get to - and Supercars has to check, for example, that the ballast is actually lead instead of plastic throughout every race weeknd). And Ford was especially pissed off at spending a fortune on a light weight roof only to bolt lead weights on.

Under this new system the weight is still equalised, but most of the field has no weight in the roof (safer and nothing to check for cheating) and the Ford teams are using more cheap mass produced steel panels.

This is clearly a better solution and it's also something that couldn't be done at short notice when the issue first came up.

Edited by - abhibeckert on 05 Aug 2019 13:53:25
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joe5619
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Posted - 05 Aug 2019 :  18:39:25  Show Profile Send joe5619 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Funny as hell.

Prior to Adelaide COG was even on the radar. There was no rule for it and no testing, that is until DJR/P caught everyone napping.

Nissans engine ballast had nothing to do with COG, it was placed to raise the front axle weight to the minimum.

You can all argue till the cows come home. It doesn't dismiss the fact that out of all the changes the Mustang had its legally designed COG raised and wings clipped. And Nissan has lower COG and Holden has improved aero.

Prior to Adelaide we never have a 3 door coupe on the grid!!



So you would think that would have been sorted prior to Adelaide then..as you say a new car...kinda like the ZB, never had a hatch race before

Agree on both accounts... Sadly this didn't happen & the number of mid season changes is become ridiculous! We can only hope they get it right in the off season.

Edited by - joe5619 on 05 Aug 2019 18:40:19
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AlbertM
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Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  08:14:03  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Funny as hell.

Prior to Adelaide COG was even on the radar. There was no rule for it and no testing, that is until DJR/P caught everyone napping.

Nissans engine ballast had nothing to do with COG, it was placed to raise the front axle weight to the minimum.

You can all argue till the cows come home. It doesn't dismiss the fact that out of all the changes the Mustang had its legally designed COG raised and wings clipped. And Nissan has lower COG and Holden has improved aero.

Prior to Adelaide we never have a 3 door coupe on the grid!!


Makes no difference, the car was built to the rules and allowed to race.

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by fordman

More concerned about claiming they have it right then go and change it and not admit they didn't have it right to start with.


When did they say it was "right"? All they ever said was it would "equalise" the top to bottom weight distribution across the field.

There were plenty of concerns from safety (lead blocks might detach in a crash) to time wasting (in the Holden especially they're hard to get to - and Supercars has to check, for example, that the ballast is actually lead instead of plastic throughout every race weeknd). And Ford was especially pissed off at spending a fortune on a light weight roof only to bolt lead weights on.

Under this new system the weight is still equalised, but most of the field has no weight in the roof (safer and nothing to check for cheating) and the Ford teams are using more cheap mass produced steel panels.

This is clearly a better solution and it's also something that couldn't be done at short notice when the issue first came up.



Expediency for race results overruled safety.

Mustang still has ~20Kg hanging off the roof. It's just been moved away from the drivers position.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford

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Lebbo73
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Posted - 20 Aug 2019 :  08:14:26  Show Profile Send Lebbo73 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Funny as hell.

Prior to Adelaide COG was even on the radar. There was no rule for it and no testing, that is until DJR/P caught everyone napping.

Nissans engine ballast had nothing to do with COG, it was placed to raise the front axle weight to the minimum.

You can all argue till the cows come home. It doesn't dismiss the fact that out of all the changes the Mustang had its legally designed COG raised and wings clipped. And Nissan has lower COG and Holden has improved aero.

Prior to Adelaide we never have a 3 door coupe on the grid!!


Makes no difference, the car was built to the rules and allowed to race.

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by fordman

More concerned about claiming they have it right then go and change it and not admit they didn't have it right to start with.


When did they say it was "right"? All they ever said was it would "equalise" the top to bottom weight distribution across the field.

There were plenty of concerns from safety (lead blocks might detach in a crash) to time wasting (in the Holden especially they're hard to get to - and Supercars has to check, for example, that the ballast is actually lead instead of plastic throughout every race weeknd). And Ford was especially pissed off at spending a fortune on a light weight roof only to bolt lead weights on.

Under this new system the weight is still equalised, but most of the field has no weight in the roof (safer and nothing to check for cheating) and the Ford teams are using more cheap mass produced steel panels.

This is clearly a better solution and it's also something that couldn't be done at short notice when the issue first came up.



Expediency for race results overruled safety.

Mustang still has ~20Kg hanging off the roof. It's just been moved away from the drivers position.


Iíll give my left nut if Ford win Bathurst now. Supercars are just taking the piss now. I reluctantly agreed to the earlier changes as the Mustang was too dominant. However, since about round 4 the only Mustang that has been consistently competitive is ScottyMac. The rest havenít done much except for fleeting moments from Fabs and Chaz.
ScottyMac is the best driver and now he has been nobbled. DJRTP are now just making up the numbers for Bathurst.
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skaifeman
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Posted - 20 Aug 2019 :  09:04:51  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Lebbo73

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Funny as hell.

Prior to Adelaide COG was even on the radar. There was no rule for it and no testing, that is until DJR/P caught everyone napping.

Nissans engine ballast had nothing to do with COG, it was placed to raise the front axle weight to the minimum.

You can all argue till the cows come home. It doesn't dismiss the fact that out of all the changes the Mustang had its legally designed COG raised and wings clipped. And Nissan has lower COG and Holden has improved aero.

Prior to Adelaide we never have a 3 door coupe on the grid!!


Makes no difference, the car was built to the rules and allowed to race.

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by fordman

More concerned about claiming they have it right then go and change it and not admit they didn't have it right to start with.


When did they say it was "right"? All they ever said was it would "equalise" the top to bottom weight distribution across the field.

There were plenty of concerns from safety (lead blocks might detach in a crash) to time wasting (in the Holden especially they're hard to get to - and Supercars has to check, for example, that the ballast is actually lead instead of plastic throughout every race weeknd). And Ford was especially pissed off at spending a fortune on a light weight roof only to bolt lead weights on.

Under this new system the weight is still equalised, but most of the field has no weight in the roof (safer and nothing to check for cheating) and the Ford teams are using more cheap mass produced steel panels.

This is clearly a better solution and it's also something that couldn't be done at short notice when the issue first came up.



Expediency for race results overruled safety.

Mustang still has ~20Kg hanging off the roof. It's just been moved away from the drivers position.


Iíll give my left nut if Ford win Bathurst now. Supercars are just taking the piss now. I reluctantly agreed to the earlier changes as the Mustang was too dominant. However, since about round 4 the only Mustang that has been consistently competitive is ScottyMac. The rest havenít done much except for fleeting moments from Fabs and Chaz.
ScottyMac is the best driver and now he has been nobbled. DJRTP are now just making up the numbers for Bathurst.


Were you watching the most recent round?

V8C must be building up quite the assets, your above, along with all of REM's Frosty collectables.


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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troy01505
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Posted - 20 Aug 2019 :  10:00:57  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Lebbo73

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Funny as hell.

Prior to Adelaide COG was even on the radar. There was no rule for it and no testing, that is until DJR/P caught everyone napping.

Nissans engine ballast had nothing to do with COG, it was placed to raise the front axle weight to the minimum.

You can all argue till the cows come home. It doesn't dismiss the fact that out of all the changes the Mustang had its legally designed COG raised and wings clipped. And Nissan has lower COG and Holden has improved aero.

Prior to Adelaide we never have a 3 door coupe on the grid!!


Makes no difference, the car was built to the rules and allowed to race.

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by fordman

More concerned about claiming they have it right then go and change it and not admit they didn't have it right to start with.


When did they say it was "right"? All they ever said was it would "equalise" the top to bottom weight distribution across the field.

There were plenty of concerns from safety (lead blocks might detach in a crash) to time wasting (in the Holden especially they're hard to get to - and Supercars has to check, for example, that the ballast is actually lead instead of plastic throughout every race weeknd). And Ford was especially pissed off at spending a fortune on a light weight roof only to bolt lead weights on.

Under this new system the weight is still equalised, but most of the field has no weight in the roof (safer and nothing to check for cheating) and the Ford teams are using more cheap mass produced steel panels.

This is clearly a better solution and it's also something that couldn't be done at short notice when the issue first came up.



Expediency for race results overruled safety.

Mustang still has ~20Kg hanging off the roof. It's just been moved away from the drivers position.


Iíll give my left nut if Ford win Bathurst now. Supercars are just taking the piss now. I reluctantly agreed to the earlier changes as the Mustang was too dominant. However, since about round 4 the only Mustang that has been consistently competitive is ScottyMac. The rest havenít done much except for fleeting moments from Fabs and Chaz.
ScottyMac is the best driver and now he has been nobbled. DJRTP are now just making up the numbers for Bathurst.



Bullcrap! check out Mustang drivers results this year compared to last and you'll see how much they have gained even after being hobbled but what the **** did anyone expect when you mix Nascar technology with dinosaur Supercar regulations
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HRTKLR
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Posted - 20 Aug 2019 :  12:58:06  Show Profile Send HRTKLR a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by Lebbo73

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Funny as hell.

Prior to Adelaide COG was even on the radar. There was no rule for it and no testing, that is until DJR/P caught everyone napping.

Nissans engine ballast had nothing to do with COG, it was placed to raise the front axle weight to the minimum.

You can all argue till the cows come home. It doesn't dismiss the fact that out of all the changes the Mustang had its legally designed COG raised and wings clipped. And Nissan has lower COG and Holden has improved aero.

Prior to Adelaide we never have a 3 door coupe on the grid!!


Makes no difference, the car was built to the rules and allowed to race.

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by fordman

More concerned about claiming they have it right then go and change it and not admit they didn't have it right to start with.


When did they say it was "right"? All they ever said was it would "equalise" the top to bottom weight distribution across the field.

There were plenty of concerns from safety (lead blocks might detach in a crash) to time wasting (in the Holden especially they're hard to get to - and Supercars has to check, for example, that the ballast is actually lead instead of plastic throughout every race weeknd). And Ford was especially pissed off at spending a fortune on a light weight roof only to bolt lead weights on.

Under this new system the weight is still equalised, but most of the field has no weight in the roof (safer and nothing to check for cheating) and the Ford teams are using more cheap mass produced steel panels.

This is clearly a better solution and it's also something that couldn't be done at short notice when the issue first came up.



Expediency for race results overruled safety.

Mustang still has ~20Kg hanging off the roof. It's just been moved away from the drivers position.


Iíll give my left nut if Ford win Bathurst now. Supercars are just taking the piss now. I reluctantly agreed to the earlier changes as the Mustang was too dominant. However, since about round 4 the only Mustang that has been consistently competitive is ScottyMac. The rest havenít done much except for fleeting moments from Fabs and Chaz.
ScottyMac is the best driver and now he has been nobbled. DJRTP are now just making up the numbers for Bathurst.



Bullcrap! check out Mustang drivers results this year compared to last and you'll see how much they have gained even after being hobbled but what the **** did anyone expect when you mix Nascar technology with dinosaur Supercar regulations

Dumb comparison. Outdated FGX not a fair fight against ZB so you canít compare driversí results between last year and this year with any accuracy. Nor can you compare Team 18ís ****box ZB with any other teamís ZB or Mustang for that matter (for the LH argument).

Edited by - HRTKLR on 20 Aug 2019 13:00:28
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Legendary Gerry
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This article expounds Dane's thoughts on parity in TCR but if fits well here...

https://autoaction.com.au/2019/08/29/triple-8-boss-slams-tcr-handicaps?fbclid=IwAR0hkKXWLUiAQU0g3kHdwyK7hDZ4BEsVq0yR-W8ejSrX4qMctd7uaZUkC1A

"Daneís primary concern is that teams and drivers in a specific TCR series are potentially being given an advantage for being uncompetitive, when other teams and drivers are doing a better job with the same car in a different series.

ďItís up and down like a yo-yo,Ē he said. ďMaybe that driver driving that Hyundai is doing a poor job, maybe the team is doing a poor job. They shouldnít get a leg-up for that.Ē
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quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

This article expounds Dane's thoughts on parity in TCR but if fits well here...

https://autoaction.com.au/2019/08/29/triple-8-boss-slams-tcr-handicaps?fbclid=IwAR0hkKXWLUiAQU0g3kHdwyK7hDZ4BEsVq0yR-W8ejSrX4qMctd7uaZUkC1A

"Daneís primary concern is that teams and drivers in a specific TCR series are potentially being given an advantage for being uncompetitive, when other teams and drivers are doing a better job with the same car in a different series.

ďItís up and down like a yo-yo,Ē he said. ďMaybe that driver driving that Hyundai is doing a poor job, maybe the team is doing a poor job. They shouldnít get a leg-up for that.Ē




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p23mA2VV0A

"Holden name goes, T8 and HRT band together and become: Chevrolet United National Team Sports, has a nice ring? Headed up by Roland of course!!" - REM

























































































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"This whole thing is just a media beat up and you V8 Supercar fans( another name for suckers, bogans, lowlifes etc ) have taken the bait hook line and sinker." - Champcarman
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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 29 Aug 2019 :  14:14:08  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by DJRford

quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

This article expounds Dane's thoughts on parity in TCR but if fits well here...

https://autoaction.com.au/2019/08/29/triple-8-boss-slams-tcr-handicaps?fbclid=IwAR0hkKXWLUiAQU0g3kHdwyK7hDZ4BEsVq0yR-W8ejSrX4qMctd7uaZUkC1A

"Daneís primary concern is that teams and drivers in a specific TCR series are potentially being given an advantage for being uncompetitive, when other teams and drivers are doing a better job with the same car in a different series.

ďItís up and down like a yo-yo,Ē he said. ďMaybe that driver driving that Hyundai is doing a poor job, maybe the team is doing a poor job. They shouldnít get a leg-up for that.Ē




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p23mA2VV0A




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Dane doesn't even know when he is telling porkies! He thinks everybody is stupid!

New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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CommodoreOfThe Future
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Nobbling the fords before bathurst is a supercars tradition. But winning in your brother's car is perfectly legal if holden do it and the name is peter brock.

People in australia are dumb, ignorant, greedy and rude.

Nurburgring and Autobahn Driven.


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