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oldtimer
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Posted - 14 Jul 2019 :  00:37:04  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We had a recent example of very small fields in SuperUtes.

We always have small fields in F4.

Another example is GT at the Bend with only 10 cars and only 7 finishers. I am sure that Shane does not rate it as one of his great wins.

It is claimed that over $100,000 is needed to pay for each event. When added to probably over a half million $ to get a car and support spares and transporter, it is a very expensive hobby for wealthy people.

The question is whether CAMS is approving too many classes that cannot field a decent number of cars and fragment the available funding too thin.


The we get TCR, a well run series with International formula cars, readily available at probably less than half the cost a GT3. It has a fair field and more cars on the way. It also has an excellent FTA TV package.

Admittedly some of the drivers are infill, but new drivers with sponsors or their own money will soon be attracted. Maybe they can sell their GT3.

Arrive and drive packages will be readily available and will suit a lot of businessmen at a reasonable cost. Because of the TV, they can justify the cost on tax-deductable advertising.


S5000 certainly have a decent bunch of cars, but it is yet to be seen if they have drivers and sponsors.

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Agreed too many categories with not enough cars. But CAMS themselves have been a part of the issue.
They started the rot with the f4 debacle which continues.

And the GT issue, well it may be debated but they certainly killed off the great VicState GT racing scene.

Perhaps a step in the right direction would be the removal of CAMS and the installing of a competent promoter rather than a bunch of folk who seem to have their own agenda (as well as own category and own series... talk about conflict!!!!!!)

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Agreed too many categories with not enough cars. But CAMS themselves have been a part of the issue.
They started the rot with the f4 debacle which continues.

And the GT issue, well it may be debated but they certainly killed off the great VicState GT racing scene.

Perhaps a step in the right direction would be the removal of CAMS and the installing of a competent promoter rather than a bunch of folk who seem to have their own agenda (as well as own category and own series... talk about conflict!!!!!!)



True mate...plus costs
I have a mate who races at club level....average entry fee is $850 per event...if you want to hire a carport so your not rained on thatís an extra $200...lock a tire and $350

Expensive even at grass roots level

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Posted - 15 Jul 2019 :  13:06:24  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Next year LMP3 will be added. Whether that takes away even more GT competitors or struggles to make double digits is anyones guess.
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Formula Ford only managed to scrape together a measly 29 entries for Sandown.

One can easily see why CAMS dropped this unpopular championship class and supports the massive fields that regularly contest F4.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/07/17/formula-ford-boasts-29-cars-for-sandown/

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Obviously an anomaly OT... they will be back to the pathetic 30s again soon :P

I will be there shooting for the FF's (and a few other categories) and am most interested to see the changes to the t6 wall... will report back on that...

I don't mind new classes coming into being... it is the evolution of the sport... but why you would persist with the waste of time and money that F4 and SuperUtes has turned out to be is beyond me (not knocking the drivers or the work put into the class, they just don't work here)


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A complete lack of recognition of the Aus motorsport landscape. Business practices are applied instead of governing.

A lack of recognition of what would a vibrant motorsport community look like, and what role would classes have to fit within such a community?

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In my time as State Councillor at CAMS, the motor racing club delegates were significantly outnumbered by the rally club delegates and many decisions did not make sense to circuit racers.

It may still be so. If so, it might explain some of the decisions on circuit motor racing.

There seem to be a much lesser number of classes at rallies.

On the subject of numerically small classes, it is suggested that
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Australian Formula 4, meanwhile, is unlikely to exist next season, with the lifespan of the current chassis at its end and the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport not expected to invest in new hardware.


https://www.motorsport.com/tcr-australia/news/australian-gp-support-race-2020/4498426/

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Posted - 23 Jul 2019 :  08:43:05  Show Profile Send Sonic a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

In my time as State Councillor at CAMS, the motor racing club delegates were significantly outnumbered by the rally club delegates and many decisions did not make sense to circuit racers.

It may still be so. If so, it might explain some of the decisions on circuit motor racing.

There seem to be a much lesser number of classes at rallies.

On the subject of numerically small classes, it is suggested that
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Australian Formula 4, meanwhile, is unlikely to exist next season, with the lifespan of the current chassis at its end and the Confederation of Australian Motor Sport not expected to invest in new hardware.


https://www.motorsport.com/tcr-australia/news/australian-gp-support-race-2020/4498426/



finally some good news re F4!!

really don't understand why rules for rally and road would be considered/applied to both when they are such different disciplines?

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