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skaifeman
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Posted - 28 Sep 2019 :  22:33:43  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
McLaren will use Mercedes engines from 2021, signing a 4 year deal:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mclaren-to-use-mercedes-power-from-2021.5cCcdKBm1VvNWJUwunfD1Y.html

My big question from this, is this a way for Mercedes to pull out?
The new regulations come in, and no doubt will throw their dominance up in the air... they've threatened to leave before with the sniff of a loss.

Could the cards fall into place... Mercedes back to McLaren, Mercedes pull their factory team, and Lewis can go full circle back to McLaren!


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977

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Posted - 29 Sep 2019 :  01:35:26  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

McLaren will use Mercedes engines from 2021, signing a 4 year deal:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mclaren-to-use-mercedes-power-from-2021.5cCcdKBm1VvNWJUwunfD1Y.html

My big question from this, is this a way for Mercedes to pull out?
The new regulations come in, and no doubt will throw their dominance up in the air... they've threatened to leave before with the sniff of a loss.

Could the cards fall into place... Mercedes back to McLaren, Mercedes pull their factory team, and Lewis can go full circle back to McLaren!






Interesting thought. I wondered about this when I read this older story.
quote:
With Mercedes having already announced a customer supply with Williams until 2025, and believed to have a deal in place with Racing Point for a similar period, a McLaren tie up would be its third customer.

Under F1's current rules, manufacturers are only allowed to supply a maximum of three teams unless they are granted permission by the governing body.

Article 8.3 of F1's Sporting Regulations states: "A major car manufacturer may not directly or indirectly supply engines for more than three teams of two cars each without the consent of the FIA."

This means that in theory if the supply rules stay the same, Mercedes will either have to ask permission from the FIA for the McLaren deal to happen, or to be able to supply its own team from 2021.

However, Appendix 9 of the Sporting Regulations, which deals with the number of supply deals, could be interpreted as allowing Mercedes to have a third customer without needing such approval.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-mercedes-engine-deal-2021/4548906/

It has now been announced that the deal is on.


A couple of other thoughts:

Rich Energy suggest that HAAS is to be sold to Saudi interests, bur HAAS deny it.
https://www.grandprix.com/news/steiner-denies-haas-selling-to-saudi-investors.html


quote:
Russia could soon have a Formula 1 team on the grid, according to a government minister.

At Sochi, Russia's trade and industry minister Denis Manturov told Ria Novosti news agency: "I think a Russian team will appear. It is not far off.

https://www.grandprix.com/news/russian-f1-team-not-far-off.html

Russian Kvyat to stay at Torro Rosso in 2020, but There has been an application to change the name.

Could Russian interests buy the team but retain sponsorship from Red Bull fashion company AlphaTauri.

https://www.grandprix.com/news/kvyat-staying-at-toro-rosso-in-2020-says-tost.html

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/toro-rosso-alpha-tauri-name-change/4549165/

a new team has been started and staff recruited, but no approval yet. Maybe tyhe will try F@ in 2020 as a toe in the water exercise.

Posted 23 August 2019 - 14:06

RaceFans has brought the news that a new team might be joining in 2021.

https://www.racefans...n-grid-in-2021/

quote:
In short:
- Haas model will be followed
- Founder is Benjamin Durand (former director of SMP Racing and BR Engineering)
- Head of aerodynamics is Tim Milne (Renault, Honda, Super Aguri, Toyota, Caterham and Manor)
- Base of operations near Silverstone
- Engine deal has been signed
- No official announcement yet
- FIA still has to agree



However, Mercedes, a relatively small car manufacturer, runs a very large and successful F1 team. I just can't see them closing it.

It would make a lot of sense if they SELL the F! team and supply engines to several teams with a chance of winning.

Beyond that, I wonder how long it will be before either Chinese or Abab (Kuwait or Saudi) or Russian interests take a major stake in Daimler AG (Mercedes), the car company. it may be financially more beneficial to buy a controlling stake in the company, which makes money, and thereby control the F1 team which eats money.


Just to add to the mix, I looked up Daimler's ownership.
Quite interesting. I may have predicted something that is already happening.

quote:
More than one billion outstanding Daimler shares are held around the globe. Our biggest shareholders are Kuwait's Sovereign Savings Fund (since 1974), Renault-Nissan (cross-holdings since 2010) and Chinese investor Li Shufu. Li Shufu holds the largest equity stake in Daimler through Tenaciou Prospect Investment Limited (since 2018). In July 2019, the Chinese BAIC Group acquired 5 % of the voting rights in Daimler.



https://www.daimler.com/investors/share/shareholder-structure/
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