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abhibeckert
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Posted - 21 Nov 2019 :  10:44:54  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
GM announced they're shutting down the factory where all of the sedans are manufactured for the US market and all of the cars will no-longer be available once stocks run out, with no replacements.

With one exception - the Cadilac CTS will continue being manufactured somewhere else (they haven't announced where) and it even has a "clean sheet" new V8 engine that only just started production, producing at least 500hp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXHO93CAreQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_twin-turbo_V8

Mark Reuss, the current president of General Motors and former Managing Director of Holden commented last year that GM is "certainly capable" of bringing the CTS to Australia. The only question is how well it would resonate with Australian car buyers.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/678651/gm-cadillac-australia/

Prototypes of that car have been spotted recently driving around Melbourne, which surely means the CTS is the most likely contender to replace the Peugeot based Commodore.

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/supercharged-v8-cadillac-australia

I think this would make a perfect Gen3 Supercar.

Edited by - Legendary Gerry on 21 Nov 2019 18:57:11

V8SuperRiley
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It sounds like a very capable car, but man is it ugly!






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Posted - 21 Nov 2019 :  11:31:12  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
They should keep the Cadillac nametag. It would appeal to the poseur class and take a few sales from Euro alleged prestige brands

Without the Holden tag, it might even appeal to a lot of Ford fans who want a V8 four door sedan.

That sound you hear is Ford rabid supporters screaming NOOOOO!

I think it would enhance the Supercars Series with Ford and GM cars opposing.

It may also prompt the correction of Historic Statistics whereby Ford cars are all counted, regardless of origin or nametag, but GM cars are not treated collectively.
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murph_fan51
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Wonít happen, the manufacture is too small scale on this part of the world.
I think Gen3 rules will suit smaller cars/coupes anyway, with the gradual move away from large sedans.

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quote:
Originally posted by murph_fan51

Wonít happen, the manufacture is too small scale on this part of the world.
I think Gen3 rules will suit smaller cars/coupes anyway, with the gradual move away from large sedans.



About 35% of the worlds population live in left hand drive countries. Making a LHD Cadillac in India (for example) for export to those countries should be viable.

And I didn't think the CTS was that big. Would he shrunk to suit supercars chassis if so.

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AlbertM
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If the Caddy was coming in the next couple of years there would be a fleet of them over here testing in RHD already. Seeing they still haven't decided to bring the brand here, it's at least 3-4 years away.

djr18fan, when you say left hand drive countries, you mean they drive on the left hand side of the road? LHD and RHD normally refers to what side the steering wheel is on.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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troy01505
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The Cadillac is currently being tabled as a Commodore replacement but the brick styling doesnít suit the new direction the sport is taking.

Albert is actually right, itís going to be all smaller cars and 2 door slick coupes.
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abhibeckert
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Posted - 21 Nov 2019 :  17:00:06  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

If the Caddy was coming in the next couple of years there would be a fleet of them over here testing in RHD already. Seeing they still haven't decided to bring the brand here, it's at least 3-4 years away.

The sale of Opel to PSA and the curveball when PSA refused to buy Holden as part of the deal may be the kick in the pants necessary to short track the caddy coming to our market.

As much as the commodore is struggling with record low sales - it's still the the best selling large car by a country mile, with almost triple the sales of the next best selling car. They'd be stupid to give up on that.

They've only really got three options:

1. bring the caddy to Australia as the next commodore
2. sell a non-GM car under the commodore badge
3. drop the commodore altogether

I can't see option 3 happening, and option 2 doesn't seem very attractive either. The caddy makes sense, and they are currently testing it here.
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I think the Holden branding will start to phase out and be replaced by General Motors. As for the Commodore nameplate, that will also be gone, they are not selling now, name is dead.
We have the Corvette coming, that is not going to be sold as a Holden Corvette, so that tells me GM branding will start to ramp up. It opens up a range of possibilities under the broader branding, and Caddilac would be a nice fit.

cheers, john
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Posted - 21 Nov 2019 :  17:34:32  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert


The sale of Opel to PSA and the curveball when PSA refused to buy Holden as part of the deal may be the kick in the pants necessary to short track the caddy coming to our market.
Even if they pressed the button tomorrow it's still 2-3 years away. To resigned the Caddy for RHD and pass our ADR's.

quote:
As much as the commodore is struggling with record low sales - it's still the the best selling large car by a country mile, with almost triple the sales of the next best selling car. They'd be stupid to give up on that.
Not about topping the segment. It's about making enough money to make it viable to sell.

It won't be a Commodore replacement, it's too expensive. US$40K is AUD$58K for the 4Cyl version.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 21 Nov 2019 :  18:58:51  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Moved to General Motoring as the majority of the conversation is not about Supercars.
Let's face it, it's only a partial body shape anyhow.
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Posted - 22 Nov 2019 :  20:36:47  Show Profile Send bigem a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

If the Caddy was coming in the next couple of years there would be a fleet of them over here testing in RHD already. Seeing they still haven't decided to bring the brand here, it's at least 3-4 years away.

The sale of Opel to PSA and the curveball when PSA refused to buy Holden as part of the deal may be the kick in the pants necessary to short track the caddy coming to our market.

As much as the commodore is struggling with record low sales - it's still the the best selling large car by a country mile, with almost triple the sales of the next best selling car. They'd be stupid to give up on that.

They've only really got three options:

1. bring the caddy to Australia as the next commodore
2. sell a non-GM car under the commodore badge
3. drop the commodore altogether

I can't see option 3 happening, and option 2 doesn't seem very attractive either. The caddy makes sense, and they are currently testing it here.



Camry is classed as a Medium sized car but is almost the same size mm for mm to the ZB and outsells ZB 3 to 1!

Price rules the CTS out, and it looks old fashioned, it's not the car for Australia!

New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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quote:
Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

If the Caddy was coming in the next couple of years there would be a fleet of them over here testing in RHD already. Seeing they still haven't decided to bring the brand here, it's at least 3-4 years away.

The sale of Opel to PSA and the curveball when PSA refused to buy Holden as part of the deal may be the kick in the pants necessary to short track the caddy coming to our market.

As much as the commodore is struggling with record low sales - it's still the the best selling large car by a country mile, with almost triple the sales of the next best selling car. They'd be stupid to give up on that.

They've only really got three options:

1. bring the caddy to Australia as the next commodore
2. sell a non-GM car under the commodore badge
3. drop the commodore altogether

I can't see option 3 happening, and option 2 doesn't seem very attractive either. The caddy makes sense, and they are currently testing it here.



Camry is classed as a Medium sized car but is almost the same size mm for mm to the ZB and outsells ZB 3 to 1!

Price rules the CTS out, and it looks old fashioned, it's not the car for Australia!



Gee Bi Gem i didn't know you worked for Holden and make the decisions as to what cars get sold to the Australian public, or are you just a neville nobody who is an expert at everything but has mastered nothing.

I heard there will be a name change to the series next year, the new name is Penske mustang cup series with their major sponsor to be Laxative guarantee to clear any backing up at Bathurst 2020.
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bigem
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Posted - 26 Nov 2019 :  18:47:23  Show Profile Send bigem a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Preditor

quote:
Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

If the Caddy was coming in the next couple of years there would be a fleet of them over here testing in RHD already. Seeing they still haven't decided to bring the brand here, it's at least 3-4 years away.

The sale of Opel to PSA and the curveball when PSA refused to buy Holden as part of the deal may be the kick in the pants necessary to short track the caddy coming to our market.

As much as the commodore is struggling with record low sales - it's still the the best selling large car by a country mile, with almost triple the sales of the next best selling car. They'd be stupid to give up on that.

They've only really got three options:

1. bring the caddy to Australia as the next commodore
2. sell a non-GM car under the commodore badge
3. drop the commodore altogether

I can't see option 3 happening, and option 2 doesn't seem very attractive either. The caddy makes sense, and they are currently testing it here.



Camry is classed as a Medium sized car but is almost the same size mm for mm to the ZB and outsells ZB 3 to 1!

Price rules the CTS out, and it looks old fashioned, it's not the car for Australia!



Gee Bi Gem i didn't know you worked for Holden and make the decisions as to what cars get sold to the Australian public, or are you just a neville nobody who is an expert at everything but has mastered nothing.



I'm a **** tin smarter than you will ever be home boy!

I'm also a realist and there is no way the CTS will make it on to the Australian market, Its ugly and cars like it no longer have relevance, just like the ZB!

New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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