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troy01505
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Posted - 25 Feb 2020 :  09:32:21  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by oldtimer

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Well the cars are pretty even at Adelaide.



Both Crompton and Skaife are Bathurst Winners and have raced Ford and Holden plus other brands. They are entitled to their opinions. Not every viewer is so superbly informed on racing as several of you are.

This really has not much to do with the Superloop specifically. I though they did OK, but please take it elsewhere if you want to argue TV etc, commentators. You have a choice of dozens of relevant threads or you can start your own.

Hell, go for broke and start two.



What’s that got to do with my opinion “the cars are pretty even at Adelaide”?
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ignition
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Posted - 25 Feb 2020 :  09:54:48  Show Profile Send ignition a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by troy01505

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Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

Well the cars are pretty even at Adelaide.



Both Crompton and Skaife are Bathurst Winners and have raced Ford and Holden plus other brands. They are entitled to their opinions. Not every viewer is so superbly informed on racing as several of you are.

This really has not much to do with the Superloop specifically. I though they did OK, but please take it elsewhere if you want to argue TV etc, commentators. You have a choice of dozens of relevant threads or you can start your own.

Hell, go for broke and start two.



What’s that got to do with my opinion “the cars are pretty even at Adelaide”?



i dare say he quoted the wrong post
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oldtimer
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Posted - 25 Feb 2020 :  10:32:20  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by ignition

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Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

Well the cars are pretty even at Adelaide.



Both Crompton and Skaife are Bathurst Winners and have raced Ford and Holden plus other brands. They are entitled to their opinions. Not every viewer is so superbly informed on racing as several of you are.

This really has not much to do with the Superloop specifically. I though they did OK, but please take it elsewhere if you want to argue TV etc, commentators. You have a choice of dozens of relevant threads or you can start your own.

Hell, go for broke and start two.



What’s that got to do with my opinion “the cars are pretty even at Adelaide”?



i dare say he quoted the wrong post



Yep, sorry Troy.
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troy01505
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Posted - 25 Feb 2020 :  11:37:16  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by oldtimer

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Originally posted by ignition

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Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

Well the cars are pretty even at Adelaide.



Both Crompton and Skaife are Bathurst Winners and have raced Ford and Holden plus other brands. They are entitled to their opinions. Not every viewer is so superbly informed on racing as several of you are.

This really has not much to do with the Superloop specifically. I though they did OK, but please take it elsewhere if you want to argue TV etc, commentators. You have a choice of dozens of relevant threads or you can start your own.

Hell, go for broke and start two.



What’s that got to do with my opinion “the cars are pretty even at Adelaide”?



i dare say he quoted the wrong post



Yep, sorry Troy.



Sorry, thought you thought I was taking the piss out of the commentators whom I have no problem with as I have a mute button if it gives me the ****s.
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STP01
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Posted - 25 Feb 2020 :  14:30:17  Show Profile Send STP01 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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The racing is stale, simple as that imo. This is what you get when you introduce complete parity into a series where everyone is on the same strategy, it's extremely difficult to pass and the quality of the spectacle suffers. They need to introduce super soft tyres and encourage various strategies.


Very true. We were talking to a DJRTP employee on Sunday and he said the lack of passing with the revised rules was surprising and disappointing to many. The soft tyres would be the go, but I wonder if they are concerned about a failure at Turn 8?

Congratulations Jamie Whincup on 7 Championships!
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Bloopy
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Posted - 01 Mar 2020 :  19:15:57  Show Profile  Visit Bloopy's Homepage Send Bloopy a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Jam3s

The racing is stale, simple as that imo. This is what you get when you introduce complete parity into a series where everyone is on the same strategy, it's extremely difficult to pass and the quality of the spectacle suffers. They need to introduce super soft tyres and encourage various strategies.


I only just finished watching the round today. Giz said on air that both the Holdens and Fords are difficult to follow now (due to the undertrays or something like that). So it's not the parity itself that's the problem, but rather some elements of the aero used to achieve the parity.
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abhibeckert
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Posted - 02 Mar 2020 :  11:51:10  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Jam3s

The racing is stale, simple as that imo. This is what you get when you introduce complete parity into a series where everyone is on the same strategy, it's extremely difficult to pass and the quality of the spectacle suffers. They need to introduce super soft tyres and encourage various strategies.

I fail to understand how it would be "easier to pass" without parity. If one car is lighter or has more downforce or less drag or a bigger engine, they'll be half a second faster at the tracks that favour their car.

How do you overtake a car when it's half a lap ahead of you? How is that good racing?

As for everyone being on the same pit strategy, that's because there's no tyre degradation and everyone has to take on exactly the same amount of fuel per race. I'm with you on that, it's an issue that must be fixed. The tyres we have now produce bad racing and the mandatory fuel drop is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist anymore, they need to get rid of it.
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mikeamerica84
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Posted - 02 Mar 2020 :  12:02:51  Show Profile Send mikeamerica84 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by Jam3s

The racing is stale, simple as that imo. This is what you get when you introduce complete parity into a series where everyone is on the same strategy, it's extremely difficult to pass and the quality of the spectacle suffers. They need to introduce super soft tyres and encourage various strategies.

I fail to understand how it would be "easier to pass" without parity. If one car is lighter or has more downforce or less drag or a bigger engine, they'll be half a second faster at the tracks that favour their car.

How do you overtake a car when it's half a lap ahead of you? How is that good racing?

As for everyone being on the same pit strategy, that's because there's no tyre degradation and everyone has to take on exactly the same amount of fuel per race. I'm with you on that, it's an issue that must be fixed. The tyres we have now produce bad racing and the mandatory fuel drop is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist anymore, they need to get rid of it.

Here is a box. Make your car within this box.

Here is a box with parts and you have to use only these parts in the box. Make your car within this box.

The former is Capitalism and will have creativity, and if said creativity gives them an advantage in the long haul, so be it. The latter is Communism and will make everyone equal.

I think that is where Jam3s is going.

Eventually both formulas will suffer as the suppressed/ignorant/bloodsuckers will bring each system down.

The V8CFL - Without fantasy, life is simply life

Edited by - mikeamerica84 on 02 Mar 2020 12:04:25
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