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abhibeckert
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  11:16:14  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by AlbertM


Out of curiosity, how do you expect DJRTP to act? They plead guilty over Car 12, accepted and apologised for the tech breach. It's done and dusted, what more do people want?


Cant speak for others - but myself Iím mostly frustrated with Supercars who repeatedly issue worthless penalties. Removing a driverís name from a spreadsheet of past race session is not a penalty. Putting them at the back of the grid for the next race is a slap on the wrist when youíre comparing Bathurst to any other race of the year.

By having no penalties, theyíre basically encouraging teams to break the rules. Because breaking them will give you an advantage.

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REM
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  13:12:16  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

This whole thing is quite humorous but I can see why so many within pit lane are so pissed off, I can not for the life of me understand why their own fans are so pissed off though as technicality it got them a free kick with the Bathurst starting position.

Fans aren't pissed off at DJR, they are pissed off of people making something out of nothing. Everything we need to know is in the report.

quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

Agree with Albert re starting back of the grid. Unless Supercars tested the Q engine on Sat night we were never to know... what else could they do?

Jamo hits the nail on the head re the downplaying... of both incidents - and this is what is causing the tension in pitlane IMO.
It's proven that one was outside the tech regs (with/without intention) and the other was proven unsportsmanlike, and yet Penske brush it off. "We'll never know..." ...exactly!
Better to play innocent than the out and out bad guy. We can't call a spade a spade anymore.
Out of curiosity, how do you expect DJRTP to act? They plead guilty over Car 12, accepted and apologised for the tech breach. It's done and dusted, what more do people want? If the fall out continues, it's only because the knockers can't move on.



DJR Fans on social have openly stated their disgust and stated they have stopped supporting the team or are no longer interested in renewing their membership but it could be like you blokes here and just ďnot watching this **** ever againĒ etc but keep coming back for years and years, who knows.

Pleading guilty and apologising for the go slow is not enough even people tied to Ford through Motorsport agree. The only people who think this is all ok are the diehard DJR fans and Holden haters, anyone on the fence thinks itís a disgraceful act. As for the engine breach, there are many theories about whether or not an advantage can be had, many theories surrounding how the team could or could not have done this themselves. Itís only places heavily dominated by die hard DJR fans and moderators that it can not be discussed in its entirety due to the penalties and/or bannings that would be dished out.

Youíll probably find that the one enforcer and the dude also received some legal threats regarding how far they could go in discussions related to the incidents also.

look most of your comment is based on emotion and Ford hate, so I am not going to respond, but letís be clear, Rusty and PM were espousing lies, in no way related to the facts or the stewards report....I wish they were more like DJRTP and were man enough to admit to their mistake and being completely conned by someone with a real anti-DJRTP agenda...

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



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troy01505
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  15:20:07  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

This whole thing is quite humorous but I can see why so many within pit lane are so pissed off, I can not for the life of me understand why their own fans are so pissed off though as technicality it got them a free kick with the Bathurst starting position.

Fans aren't pissed off at DJR, they are pissed off of people making something out of nothing. Everything we need to know is in the report.

quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

Agree with Albert re starting back of the grid. Unless Supercars tested the Q engine on Sat night we were never to know... what else could they do?

Jamo hits the nail on the head re the downplaying... of both incidents - and this is what is causing the tension in pitlane IMO.
It's proven that one was outside the tech regs (with/without intention) and the other was proven unsportsmanlike, and yet Penske brush it off. "We'll never know..." ...exactly!
Better to play innocent than the out and out bad guy. We can't call a spade a spade anymore.
Out of curiosity, how do you expect DJRTP to act? They plead guilty over Car 12, accepted and apologised for the tech breach. It's done and dusted, what more do people want? If the fall out continues, it's only because the knockers can't move on.



DJR Fans on social have openly stated their disgust and stated they have stopped supporting the team or are no longer interested in renewing their membership but it could be like you blokes here and just ďnot watching this **** ever againĒ etc but keep coming back for years and years, who knows.

Pleading guilty and apologising for the go slow is not enough even people tied to Ford through Motorsport agree. The only people who think this is all ok are the diehard DJR fans and Holden haters, anyone on the fence thinks itís a disgraceful act. As for the engine breach, there are many theories about whether or not an advantage can be had, many theories surrounding how the team could or could not have done this themselves. Itís only places heavily dominated by die hard DJR fans and moderators that it can not be discussed in its entirety due to the penalties and/or bannings that would be dished out.

Youíll probably find that the one enforcer and the dude also received some legal threats regarding how far they could go in discussions related to the incidents also.

look most of your comment is based on emotion and Ford hate, so I am not going to respond, but letís be clear, Rusty and PM were espousing lies, in no way related to the facts or the stewards report....I wish they were more like DJRTP and were man enough to admit to their mistake and being completely conned by someone with a real anti-DJRTP agenda...




Emotion and hate? I love Scotty. What I hate is how things are ok and fine when one team does it and a breach and fine is implemented (Penske) but not when another has an alleged something that is not proven and no breach recorded (any Holden team or driver)

The enforcer and the dude shared information that enter their inbox something others can not do due financial consequences, bans and punishments, the information just happen to be incorrect, Iím an far from a fan of their show but just like Penske they were man enough to admit their mistake and they have not been conned by an anti-Penske agenda (is there even such thing?) So shouldnít you blokes be worshipping them also
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fordman
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  16:44:03  Show Profile Send fordman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
sadly these two are falling into the trap of all media not balanced and no diligence to what's fact and ignorance of defamation laws. journos when they get some "juicy" info and there is a huge temptation to rush to print should take a step back and say "whoa" is this really factual. Plenty of defamation cases have gone against media outlets of late, and a hint of some forum posters being guilty of defamation, wont be long before maybe some here may get a letter in the mail??? there are laws I the wind to change these laws we all should a little wary of what we say online. I have been told the WORST thing you can do is put things in writing.
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AlbertM
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  17:41:51  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM


Out of curiosity, how do you expect DJRTP to act? They plead guilty over Car 12, accepted and apologised for the tech breach. It's done and dusted, what more do people want?


Cant speak for others - but myself Iím mostly frustrated with Supercars who repeatedly issue worthless penalties. Removing a driverís name from a spreadsheet of past race session is not a penalty. Putting them at the back of the grid for the next race is a slap on the wrist when youíre comparing Bathurst to any other race of the year.

By having no penalties, theyíre basically encouraging teams to break the rules. Because breaking them will give you an advantage.

See this is where all you all get it so wrong. There was no evidence of an advantage. Your are asking for a harsher penalty for something that didn't exist.


quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

This whole thing is quite humorous but I can see why so many within pit lane are so pissed off, I can not for the life of me understand why their own fans are so pissed off though as technicality it got them a free kick with the Bathurst starting position.

Fans aren't pissed off at DJR, they are pissed off of people making something out of nothing. Everything we need to know is in the report.

quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

Agree with Albert re starting back of the grid. Unless Supercars tested the Q engine on Sat night we were never to know... what else could they do?

Jamo hits the nail on the head re the downplaying... of both incidents - and this is what is causing the tension in pitlane IMO.
It's proven that one was outside the tech regs (with/without intention) and the other was proven unsportsmanlike, and yet Penske brush it off. "We'll never know..." ...exactly!
Better to play innocent than the out and out bad guy. We can't call a spade a spade anymore.
Out of curiosity, how do you expect DJRTP to act? They plead guilty over Car 12, accepted and apologised for the tech breach. It's done and dusted, what more do people want? If the fall out continues, it's only because the knockers can't move on.



DJR Fans on social have openly stated their disgust and stated they have stopped supporting the team or are no longer interested in renewing their membership but it could be like you blokes here and just ďnot watching this **** ever againĒ etc but keep coming back for years and years, who knows.

Pleading guilty and apologising for the go slow is not enough even people tied to Ford through Motorsport agree. The only people who think this is all ok are the diehard DJR fans and Holden haters, anyone on the fence thinks itís a disgraceful act. As for the engine breach, there are many theories about whether or not an advantage can be had, many theories surrounding how the team could or could not have done this themselves. Itís only places heavily dominated by die hard DJR fans and moderators that it can not be discussed in its entirety due to the penalties and/or bannings that would be dished out.

Youíll probably find that the one enforcer and the dude also received some legal threats regarding how far they could go in discussions related to the incidents also.

look most of your comment is based on emotion and Ford hate, so I am not going to respond, but letís be clear, Rusty and PM were espousing lies, in no way related to the facts or the stewards report....I wish they were more like DJRTP and were man enough to admit to their mistake and being completely conned by someone with a real anti-DJRTP agenda...




Emotion and hate? I love Scotty. What I hate is how things are ok and fine when one team does it and a breach and fine is implemented (Penske) but not when another has an alleged something that is not proven and no breach recorded (any Holden team or driver)

The enforcer and the dude shared information that enter their inbox something others can not do due financial consequences, bans and punishments, the information just happen to be incorrect, Iím an far from a fan of their show but just like Penske they were man enough to admit their mistake and they have not been conned by an anti-Penske agenda (is there even such thing?) So shouldnít you blokes be worshipping them also

You have an axe to grind. Fair enough, you're a biased Holden fan. The thing is though, DJRTP don't care what you think. They have moved on.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford

Edited by - AlbertM on 29 Nov 2019 17:50:43
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troy01505
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  20:50:42  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I do not like Holden! I waved Mobil Sierra flags, 00 Motorsport flags, Betta electrical and more, stop crapping on about it. Penske obviously do care what people think which is why they are still responding to people.

I know this part is not directed at me but as for whether or not they gained an advantage I think it is still up in the air, yes people have come out and said 100% no advantage but others with the same qualifications has said there was. We may never have 100% confirmation.


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REM
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  21:02:36  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

I do not like Holden! I waved Mobil Sierra flags, 00 Motorsport flags, Betta electrical and more, stop crapping on about it. Penske obviously do care what people think which is why they are still responding to people.

I know this part is not directed at me but as for whether or not they gained an advantage I think it is still up in the air, yes people have come out and said 100% no advantage but others with the same qualifications has said there was. We may never have 100% confirmation.






The officials said there was no advantage...name one equally credible person, who stated there was....certainly PM and Rusty have now read the Officials report.....and gone to ground...

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



Edited by - REM on 29 Nov 2019 21:03:56
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AlbertM
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  21:15:34  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

I do not like Holden! I waved Mobil Sierra flags, 00 Motorsport flags, Betta electrical and more, stop crapping on about it. Penske obviously do care what people think which is why they are still responding to people.

I know this part is not directed at me but as for whether or not they gained an advantage I think it is still up in the air, yes people have come out and said 100% no advantage but others with the same qualifications has said there was. We may never have 100% confirmation.



Yeah, you do. You rag on DJRTP and Tickford and come out swinging every time questions Holden's integrity.

As much as you want it to be, it's not up in the air. CAMS has ruled. Anything else is speculation and opinion, just like PM and RI and look how wrong they got it.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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troy01505
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  21:55:35  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

I do not like Holden! I waved Mobil Sierra flags, 00 Motorsport flags, Betta electrical and more, stop crapping on about it. Penske obviously do care what people think which is why they are still responding to people.

I know this part is not directed at me but as for whether or not they gained an advantage I think it is still up in the air, yes people have come out and said 100% no advantage but others with the same qualifications has said there was. We may never have 100% confirmation.




Yeah, you do. You rag on DJRTP and Tickford and come out swinging every time questions Holden's integrity.

As much as you want it to be, it's not up in the air. CAMS has ruled. Anything else is speculation and opinion, just like PM and RI and look how wrong they got it.



PM and RI have admitted their mistake and moved on so all is good now isnít it? They are not at fault as it was an someone else who sealed the email and sent it.
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AlbertM
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Posted - 29 Nov 2019 :  22:39:34  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Oh hell yes it is there fault for not even reading the CAMS report and putting it up against the supposed email.

Actually the "Note" has been removed from the episode and the original video is now private. So no, they haven't admitted they stuffed up, They are trying to hide it.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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bigcol
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Posted - 30 Nov 2019 :  22:53:29  Show Profile Send bigcol a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Looks like Ingall has done some blocking and not on the race track. Even blocked me and i was polite. Probably didn't like me referring to Morris as the Dud

Oh well so much for their hard hitting BS and we'll say what the others won't. You'll say whatever Morris gets fed to him from Erebus and Redbull and you won't bother checking the validity of it.
Had the potential to be a good show but episode 14 sealed it for them. No credibility and lazy research

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