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AlbertM
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Posted - 11 Nov 2019 :  00:41:23  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

The paddock is very toxic, but only towards DJRTP

So the Kostecki's mistook car 6 for DJRTP? And didn't Speedcafe report that several Holden teams were sore over 888 getting the back door aero upgrade with out consulting them?

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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bigcol
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quote:
Originally posted by powderpuff

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Originally posted by AlbertM

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Originally posted by Preditor

quote:
Originally posted by the undertaker

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Originally posted by Bartlett

Warskly effishells. How dare they penalise a ford team for cheating.




We all know that would never happen to an opel for the same offense



Yes you're 100% correct because the opels use Chev engines, so it will never happen to opel.



Pretty sure it's from a front wheel drive Buick.



Albert is back ! LOL ......which dirty one eyed mud hole did they drag you out from under ?

'AWD' Buick in the States, AWD Opel in German, AWD Holden down here .
Doesn't matter what badge GM choose to put on the product, it's not the car or team under question here...it's your mob which has been found guilty.

Facts stated, now continue your "Holden use to do it too " deflection away from the actual topic. Where's the admin ? Every fckn swipe at anything else on the thread is off topic.

So if Scott's qual lap is wiped from Bathurst, and he never actually qualified legally, how the hell can he win the actual race he never qualified for?
What a shambles. I'd assume Penske will hand back the trophy ?

I feel sorry for Scott. Congrats to him on the Championship, he drove superbly, but now the poor guy has to put up with so much crap.















You know what Pete i had a lot of ****ing respect for you till that ****ing comment. You can get ****ed

You ****ing grubs have been pulling this parity **** all season and mate don't think for one minute you blokes are as pure as driven snow. You're not

Reynolds Dane Ryan and all the other cock smokers going on and on about parity and what made it worse was that smug prick telling everyone to build a better car and work harder. Well they did on a platform that didn't fit the shape or style of the car. But Holden had there arses handed to them on a platter. But Did that smug prick work harder. No his first ****ing instinct was to whinge about an unfair advantage. An advantage his team had the year before and blew it.
But from the red side we had David Reynolds the unfunniest wannabe comedian i have ever heard whinging and bitching about Mustang all year. Dane's blah blah ****ing blah on parity, and every other **** Holden driver looking for excuses. One thing i have to give to Jamie and SVG, They had very little to say. Probably because they knew how good there Opel was..
So mate you can **** right off when you say about how much crap McLaughlin has copped because you ****ing clowns are the ones that have been dishing **** about the car he's been driving and taking away just how well he's used it.
I'll give you a tip mate Ludo and Scotty would have beaten you pricks in a ZB as well






Statement from DJR Team Penske

The engines used for the Bathurst 1000 race, in both Car #17 and Car #12, have passed all post-race inspections.

The engine in question experienced a mechanical problem during practice and qualifying. Following the Top Ten Shootout, we were granted permission by the Head of Motorsport to change the engine prior to the race.

We are confident that the build sheet for this engine indicated that it left our engine provider with measurements that were well under the allowable maximum valve lift stated within the Virgin Australia Supercars Engine Specification Document.

It was also confirmed by Supercars that the control camshaft, rockers and all other components and measurements used in the engine were the ones permitted within our Engine Specifications Document.

The steward’s report confirmed that there was clearly no intent from our team to circumvent the rules and there was no evidence that we benefited from any performance advantage as the engine passed the Supercars power tests on their dynamometer post-event, returning results that did not exceed the Accumulated Power Number nor the Engine Power Weighted Average Number.

As the lift now measures a few thousandths of an inch high on a few valves, we can only conclude that either the engine wasn’t measured properly when it was initially assembled or the damage that occurred in the engine contributed to a change to the maximum valve lift in the forward cylinders.

We apologize to Scott, Alex, our partners and our supporters, and we will continue to focus on winning our second consecutive Virgin Australia Supercars Championship.

The team will be making no further comment at this time.

ONLY LITTLE BOYZ WEAR BOWTIES

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Trev
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another right royal shafting from the idiots at Supercars - the series is on a death slide

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REM
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quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

The paddock is very toxic, but only towards DJRTP



So what about all the anti-Mustang Ford bile the whole paddock has been spewing out all year....? It's been shameful...the way the whole series has been run is an indictment on them....teams have carried on like babies all friggin year.....and then the gall, to question DJRTP's lack of sportsmanship.....it's like Trump is running Supercars!

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



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jamolad
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Posted - 11 Nov 2019 :  08:12:56  Show Profile Send jamolad a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by REM

...and then the gall, to question DJRTP's lack of sportsmanship...



Gall to question their sportsmanship? We didn't question it; they pleaded guilty to unfair and unsporting conduct!!!

More deflection through whataboutism.

Cue BigCol with more asterisks. **** off with all this "no performance gain" bull****. If DJR would just field legal cars that comply with regs, like everyone else does, then no one would need worry about if their latest specialty gave an advantage or not.



Edited by - jamolad on 11 Nov 2019 08:32:00
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FOX 42
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Posted - 11 Nov 2019 :  11:14:06  Show Profile Send FOX 42 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

quote:
Originally posted by REM

...and then the gall, to question DJRTP's lack of sportsmanship...



Gall to question their sportsmanship? We didn't question it; they pleaded guilty to unfair and unsporting conduct!!!

More deflection through whataboutism.

Cue BigCol with more asterisks. **** off with all this "no performance gain" bull****. If DJR would just field legal cars that comply with regs, like everyone else does, then no one would need worry about if their latest specialty gave an advantage or not.






You mean like the 888 early ZB commodores with the Tucked in rear bar......
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AlbertM
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Posted - 11 Nov 2019 :  11:25:28  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Gall to question their sportsmanship? We didn't question it; they pleaded guilty to unfair and unsporting conduct!!!

And of the BS prior to Bathurst?

Paddock is only toxic to DJRTP because of their success. Their high profile make for good headlines. Ask any 888 supporter.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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VZ1_60
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Posted - 11 Nov 2019 :  11:25:42  Show Profile Send VZ1_60 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
like a few others on the forum, I was furious when I first heard about this, however having read the Stewards decision there are yet another range of anomolies exposed in the process. These are probably the key points:

- The inlet and exhaust valve lift is regularly checked by Supercars Technical personnel. Indeed, the valve lift on the DJRTP’s engines had been checked approximately 10 times this season, including on the Q Engine, with no issue observed.

- The build sheet for the Q Engine demonstrates that the valve lift had been measured as within spec before the Bathurst Event

- Because the ESD prescribes a procedure for measuring valve lift, the issue is not a simple question of the valve lift measurement but rather it is the measurement using that specific procedure

- There are shortcomings in the specified procedure because a ‘foot’ or plate on the indicator shaft will mean that the indicator shaft will not be on the same axis as the valve stem; #8232;

- Before this issue was discovered, DJRTP measured its own valve lift using an analogue instrument which did not have the “foot” at the bottom of the indicator shaft. Nor did Supercars Technical personnel regularly use the Mitutoyo 432-492B digital indicator. Therefore, what has been discovered is the result of a change in circumstances

So what do we all make of these points? Yet more inconsistency in determining the rules = FARCE.

I feel very sorry for Scott, he is a worthy champion and an outstanding driver, however the gleam is being taking off his achievements due to some questionable tactics (Bathurst) and incompetence by Supercars (engine measuring).

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FOX 42
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Posted - 11 Nov 2019 :  11:45:00  Show Profile Send FOX 42 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Also interesting is why we have a valve lift limit of 0.700". I will give you a hint, 2010 and 888 had swapped from Holden to Ford and couldn't get the high lift camshafts to work with their new engine builder.

So Roland complained for a rule change again?

Edited by - FOX 42 on 11 Nov 2019 11:46:55
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jamolad
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Posted - 11 Nov 2019 :  11:57:39  Show Profile Send jamolad a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by FOX 42

quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

quote:
Originally posted by REM

...and then the gall, to question DJRTP's lack of sportsmanship...



Gall to question their sportsmanship? We didn't question it; they pleaded guilty to unfair and unsporting conduct!!!

More deflection through whataboutism.

Cue BigCol with more asterisks. **** off with all this "no performance gain" bull****. If DJR would just field legal cars that comply with regs, like everyone else does, then no one would need worry about if their latest specialty gave an advantage or not.






You mean like the 888 early ZB commodores with the Tucked in rear bar......



See that is the problem with this place - you guys continue to present as fact what has been previously debunked.

There were allegations the Red Bulls were running tucked rear quarters at Philip Island. They (Red Bull cars) were subsequently checked and cleared (as were several other cars). The narrative then shifted to "They must have been tipped off" so someone went to a lot of time and effort to check and measure images and footage of the Red Bull rear quarters from the prior rounds (Clipsal and Symmons). Again no anomaly was found. Red Bull did not run tucked rear ends, but you guys continue to say they did.

It's like earlier this year at Tassie. LG "suggests" there was talk in the pits about a team running steel heat shields as illegal ballast. Immediately it is assumed the un-named team is 888. Nothing ever came of it - there was no investigation, no charges, no nothing...there was no team running steel heat shields...yet go back through this site and you will find people saying Red Bull got done for illegal steel heat shields.

Of course, even if true (which it isn't)...still doesn't change the fact that DJR have (yet again) fielded a car that is outside of the tech regs (like they did twice last year, with Scotty at The Bend and Fab's illegal wing at PI).

What others may or may not have done in the past is just Whataboutism and is off topic. Given LG has already posted the off topic flag we'd all best just stick to the fallout from DJR's dodgey Bathurst campaign...the 'debriss' safety car shenanigans and the qualifying engine that did not abide by technical specs and was disqualified.

Think we have a fair idea how this goes from here though as we've seen this play out before...if the news or a thread turns 'difficult' or 'uncomfortable' for Ford or DJR supporters then a few members lose their freakin' minds like Col's asterisk laden post above then LG promptly steps in and uses that as a convenient excuse to close the thread down.

Edited by - jamolad on 11 Nov 2019 12:15:24
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DJRford
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Clearly given the issue found with the engine, it wasn't intentional. They'd know the engines could be checked so they'd have to be stupid to do it intentionally, and of course there was no performance benefit. However there was an irregularity, and rightly so it was penalised. It sucks because it was an awesome pole lap, but I say the penalty was fair, except for making car 17 start at the rear at Sandown, an event a month later. In my personal opinion, that was absolute bull**** and awfully convenient considering car 97 was starting down there. These jokers are doing everything they can to try and get a fight for the teams championship since the drivers title is all wrapped up and they need a selling point for Newcastle.



























































































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FOX 42
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quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

quote:
Originally posted by FOX 42

quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

quote:
Originally posted by REM

...and then the gall, to question DJRTP's lack of sportsmanship...



Gall to question their sportsmanship? We didn't question it; they pleaded guilty to unfair and unsporting conduct!!!

More deflection through whataboutism.

Cue BigCol with more asterisks. **** off with all this "no performance gain" bull****. If DJR would just field legal cars that comply with regs, like everyone else does, then no one would need worry about if their latest specialty gave an advantage or not.






You mean like the 888 early ZB commodores with the Tucked in rear bar......



See that is the problem with this place - you guys continue to present as fact what has been previously debunked.

There were allegations the Red Bulls were running tucked rear quarters at Philip Island. They (Red Bull cars) were subsequently checked and cleared (as were several other cars). The narrative then shifted to "They must have been tipped off" so someone went to a lot of time and effort to check and measure images and footage of the Red Bull rear quarters from the prior rounds (Clipsal and Symmons). Again no anomaly was found. Red Bull did not run tucked rear ends, but you guys continue to say they did.

It's like earlier this year at Tassie. LG "suggests" there was talk in the pits about a team running steel heat shields as illegal ballast. Immediately it is assumed the un-named team is 888. Nothing ever came of it - there was no investigation, no charges, no nothing...there was no team running steel heat shields...yet go back through this site and you will find people saying Red Bull got done for illegal steel heat shields.

Of course, even if true (which it isn't)...still doesn't change the fact that DJR have (yet again) fielded a car that is outside of the tech regs (like they did twice last year, with Scotty at The Bend and Fab's illegal wing at PI).

What others may or may not have done in the past is just Whataboutism and is off topic. Given LG has already posted the off topic flag we'd all best just stick to the fallout from DJR's dodgey Bathurst campaign...the 'debriss' safety car shenanigans and the qualifying engine that did not abide by technical specs and was disqualified.

Think we have a fair idea how this goes from here though as we've seen this play out before...if the news or a thread turns 'difficult' or 'uncomfortable' for Ford or DJR supporters then a few members lose their freakin' minds like Col's asterisk laden post above then LG promptly steps in and uses that as a convenient excuse to close the thread down.



Dont forget the Time Gizzy was caught using a illegally modified FIA harness to improve driver changes at pit stops. Was all over speedcafe a week after the event. And nothing was done about it.

Just highlighting the double standards and clear bias.
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Trev
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Posted - 11 Nov 2019 :  15:33:41  Show Profile  Visit Trev's Homepage Send Trev a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
remember 'wiregate'

remember 'balaclavagate'


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has everyone forgotten about the good old "get em or have em off"?

if you ask me, that's a worse statement than both of these offences combined


Edited by - ignition on 11 Nov 2019 16:22:34
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Zac
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We're a long way from 'The Verdict' on DJRTP and Coulthard at Bathurst now.
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