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oldtimer
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Posted - 09 Mar 2020 :  15:57:28  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Skaife went from Ford to Nissan to Holden.

Murphy went from Audi to Holden.

Tander maybe, but then he did race Formula FORD.


But to get back on topic, it is rare for a driver, particularly the well known drivers to stick to one brand of race car.

In fact, a lot of the teams/owners have changed brands. or run multiple brands in different classes. I struggle to think of one that hasn't. Charlie S, Matt Stone, Brad Jones, Rod Nash, Rusty French, the Kellys, the Walkinshaws, Brown, Andretti, Dick Johnson, Roger Penske, Phil Munday, Erebus, 888, Jonathon Webb, and even Garry Rogers, Peter Brock and Alan Moffit from the past, have all raced and/or sponsored multiple brands. Where is brand loyalty there.

The great Australian public might, just might, know the names of Brabham, Brock and Lowndes, but the big majority couldn't care less about motor racing and many would even consider it anti-social. That doesn't even count the greenie and NIMBY factions that are tiny minorities anyway.

So, motor racing will go on in 2021, even if Holden is heading for Historic categories, like Falcon and many others. Team owners and drivers will move on and so should supporters, particularly in 2021.

Edited by - oldtimer on 09 Mar 2020 17:59:39
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Darren351
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Posted - 09 Mar 2020 :  19:26:52  Show Profile Send Darren351 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Greg Murphy raced a Sierra.
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/saturday-sleuthing-greg-murphys-ford/
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bigcol
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Biggest and funniest thing for me next year is WAU maybe the sole importer of the Camaro if it doesn't get the chop and would by default also become the main player and homologation team on the GM side. Poor Roland buying parts from Ryan Walkinshaw. With the history between these two families Dane had better find another manufacturer to pay his bills for him.
Dane did this when he moved from Ford. Sign the drivers for another few years so when it comes to selling your team to the new sponsor/manufacturer you can boast about having two of the best on multi year deals.

ONLY LITTLE BOYZ WEAR BOWTIES
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abhibeckert
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quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

Dane had better find another manufacturer to pay his bills for him.


Which should be an easy enough task.
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bigem
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quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

Dane had better find another manufacturer to pay his bills for him.


Which should be an easy enough task.



If Roland can't find a manufacturer to team up with the series is in more trouble with the auto industry than I thought.

888s track record of success is second to nobody, will be interesting to see where it goes!

New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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bigcol
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quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

Dane had better find another manufacturer to pay his bills for him.


Which should be an easy enough task.



Don't bet on it. Car industry around the world isn't exactly kicking goals, then add the effects of the Corona virus and you could see a world wide recession. Until things settle down purely from a business sense it my be harder than you think

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djr18fan
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quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

Dane had better find another manufacturer to pay his bills for him.


Which should be an easy enough task.



Don't bet on it. Car industry around the world isn't exactly kicking goals, then add the effects of the Corona virus and you could see a world wide recession. Until things settle down purely from a business sense it my be harder than you think



Good opportunity for a savvy manufacturer to take the opportunity to increase their market share by keeping up or even increasing their promotional spend.
Take the airline industry at present. Failure of the weak airlines provides opportunities for others to get stronger.

Mind you I would prefer that supercars and its teams were able to operate without manufacturer money or technical support. As long as the body shapes can be run.

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touring fan
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quote:
Originally posted by djr18fan

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

Dane had better find another manufacturer to pay his bills for him.


Which should be an easy enough task.



Don't bet on it. Car industry around the world isn't exactly kicking goals, then add the effects of the Corona virus and you could see a world wide recession. Until things settle down purely from a business sense it my be harder than you think



Good opportunity for a savvy manufacturer to take the opportunity to increase their market share by keeping up or even increasing their promotional spend.


Name me a manufacturer that increased their market share as a result of being in Supercars.....
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skaifeman
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quote:
Originally posted by touring fan

quote:
Originally posted by djr18fan

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

Dane had better find another manufacturer to pay his bills for him.


Which should be an easy enough task.



Don't bet on it. Car industry around the world isn't exactly kicking goals, then add the effects of the Corona virus and you could see a world wide recession. Until things settle down purely from a business sense it my be harder than you think



Good opportunity for a savvy manufacturer to take the opportunity to increase their market share by keeping up or even increasing their promotional spend.


Name me a manufacturer that increased their market share as a result of being in Supercars.....


Volvo.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/290539/volvo-s60-sales-boosted-by-v8-supercars-entry-says-company/
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/v8-supercars-fuel-volvo-car-sales-boost-28767


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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touring fan
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And then they qucklyv pulled the program. Canít have been that successful for them!
But did Ford or Holden or Nissan improve their market share through supercars? No, the exact opposite!
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skaifeman
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quote:
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And then they qucklyv pulled the program. Canít have been that successful for them!
But did Ford or Holden or Nissan improve their market share through supercars? No, the exact opposite!


They pulled from Motorsport worldwide - all to do with focussing on new energy.
The Australian dealers wanted them to stay!
quote:
"We had unanimous support from the dealer network, Volvo's market share was growing at a faster rate than the Australian car market and we have the financial capacity to continue with the program.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/garry-rogers-takes-volvo-to-court-103959/


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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Fast by Ferracci
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Posted - 12 Mar 2020 :  05:55:21  Show Profile Send Fast by Ferracci a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by touring fan

And then they qucklyv pulled the program. Canít have been that successful for them!
But did Ford or Holden or Nissan improve their market share through supercars? No, the exact opposite!


They pulled from Motorsport worldwide - all to do with focussing on new energy.
The Australian dealers wanted them to stay!
quote:
"We had unanimous support from the dealer network, Volvo's market share was growing at a faster rate than the Australian car market and we have the financial capacity to continue with the program.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/garry-rogers-takes-volvo-to-court-103959/





They didnít pull out of Motorsport worldwide.

For starters Volvo won the 2017 WTCC with their factory team
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skaifeman
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Posted - 12 Mar 2020 :  11:38:05  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Fast by Ferracci

quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by touring fan

And then they qucklyv pulled the program. Canít have been that successful for them!
But did Ford or Holden or Nissan improve their market share through supercars? No, the exact opposite!


They pulled from Motorsport worldwide - all to do with focussing on new energy.
The Australian dealers wanted them to stay!
quote:
"We had unanimous support from the dealer network, Volvo's market share was growing at a faster rate than the Australian car market and we have the financial capacity to continue with the program.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/garry-rogers-takes-volvo-to-court-103959/





They didnít pull out of Motorsport worldwide.

For starters Volvo won the 2017 WTCC with their factory team


Pretty odd that the reigning Champion team didn't come back the very next year?
I'd call that pulling out, they just had to wait for contracts to lapse.
They even pulled out of the STCC - their own local touring car championship:
https://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/volvo-set-to-quit-motorsport/

I believe the only link they have to Motorsport is through the WTCR program, running Lynk and Co. cars via Cyan:
https://www.cyanracing.com/

Volvo pulling out of Supercars was not a blight on Supercars at all - for the reasons listed above.
They moved to newer innovations which disregarded Motorsport. It was a Motorsport problem, not a Supercars problem.
In fact, I'd say it's the success story of the 21st century so far when compared to Holden now dead, Falcon dead, Nissan out, Erebus' attempt.


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977

Edited by - skaifeman on 12 Mar 2020 11:49:38
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joe5619
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And then they qucklyv pulled the program. Canít have been that successful for them!
But did Ford or Holden or Nissan improve their market share through supercars? No, the exact opposite!

So Ford, Holden & Nissan should pull all TV adds, Newspaper add, radio adds & other sport sponsorship because market share still dropped with them doing those types of Media activity & we have to take your definition of success & pull funding to all media spending in the years market share dropped!!

Are you starting to understand how simplicity your views are now?

Edited by - joe5619 on 12 Mar 2020 16:01:57
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skaifeman
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Just saw Skaifey on FOX's Sports Saturday discussing the possibility of the summer series.

The other headline... No new manufacturers in 2021.
With the short turnaround between races this year (if any at all), probably means no teams would have the time/staff to get a new program up and running.
I reckon every team will keep running what they have.


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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