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journeyman racer
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Posted - 01 Dec 2019 :  23:21:31  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The manufacturer with the bad PR over polluting earlier this decade is probably wanting to make up some goodwill.

It's pretty **** though, as VW is a prominent small car manufacturer.

On another note, we're obviously not excited over the new tv deal TCR has.

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What's not to love about the new TV deal?
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journeyman racer
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Posted - 02 Dec 2019 :  13:34:24  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The posting activity is limited to our two posts a week or two after the announcement.

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Originally posted by journeyman racer

The posting activity is limited to our two posts a week or two after the announcement.



Clearly itís well on its way at to replacing Supercars as number one then!
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journeyman racer
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I wouldn't count this site as an accurate sample size.

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I wouldn't count this site as an accurate sample size.



Track attendance numbers also show itís a long way off Supercars fan numbers but this may change next season with the tele package.
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Originally posted by journeyman racer

I wouldn't count this site as an accurate sample size.



Track attendance numbers also show itís a long way off Supercars fan numbers but this may change next season with the tele package.



Give them ATCC status and the headline at events like the 1000 at Bathurst, Sandown and Adelaide 500 and things might start changing
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ATCC should be given because not to draw extra "fans". But supercars are not appropriate car to have ATCC status, and TCR is already a significant enough series already, it'll be a class sufficiently supported to attract prospective competitors to do the title justice. Supercars having it is barely acknowledged by that "business". Whether or not they have it makes little difference to them, even though it's effectively the "Australian motor racing championship".

With it's own Bathurst, I think it'll negated the significance of the supercars 1000.

Idk why troy brings up track attendance, when TCR has just started, and supercars trades off the ATCC history and has a largely captive audience?


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ATCC should be given because not to draw extra "fans". But supercars are not appropriate car to have ATCC status, and TCR is already a significant enough series already, it'll be a class sufficiently supported to attract prospective competitors to do the title justice. Supercars having it is barely acknowledged by that "business". Whether or not they have it makes little difference to them, even though it's effectively the "Australian motor racing championship".

With it's own Bathurst, I think it'll negated the significance of the supercars 1000.

Idk why troy brings up track attendance, when TCR has just started, and supercars trades off the ATCC history and has a largely captive audience?





ATCC status will not be moved until the Supercars is dead!

Believe it or not fans are what keeps a series running. Supercars is the most popular category in Australia right now whether you like it or not. Aussies love the V8 roar, always have and as long as their are V8s on track, the generations that bought and drove them I canít see TCR becoming the most popular category in the country.
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there is Nothing wrong with the TCR Australia Moniker, it tells the true story of what the series is.

if there was a Ford Available, I would see DJRTP fielding a team. because Roger wants to win everything there is

Edited by - falcon_cobra on 12 Dec 2019 11:23:53
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Originally posted by journeyman racer

ATCC should be given because not to draw extra "fans". But supercars are not appropriate car to have ATCC status, and TCR is already a significant enough series already, it'll be a class sufficiently supported to attract prospective competitors to do the title justice. Supercars having it is barely acknowledged by that "business". Whether or not they have it makes little difference to them, even though it's effectively the "Australian motor racing championship".

With it's own Bathurst, I think it'll negated the significance of the supercars 1000.

Idk why troy brings up track attendance, when TCR has just started, and supercars trades off the ATCC history and has a largely captive audience?





ATCC status will not be moved until the Supercars is dead!

Believe it or not fans are what keeps a series running. Supercars is the most popular category in Australia right now whether you like it or not. Aussies love the V8 roar, always have and as long as their are V8s on track, the generations that bought and drove them I canít see TCR becoming the most popular category in the country.



What makes you so confident they wouldnít move the ATCC status until Supercars is dead?

CAMS owns the ATCC name, owns the Australian rights for TCR (which they lease to ARG), why wouldnít they want to put their name on their series once it gets settled?
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Supercars is dead. It's just not buried.

A couple of reasons why CAMS won't take ATCC status off supercars. Even though Supercars (competitors/industry/fans couldn't care less about the title, it makes a loud statement were ATCC status taken off them, which could cause supercars to be more disruptive politically.

The other reason is that even though they're administering the sport, I'm not sure there's genuine passionate race fans that are a part of the governing body. That being the case, it would surprise me if "they" don't get the significance of the title, and haven't even thought of making such a move.

Check troy out with the "Believe it or not fans are what keeps a series running" BS. I mean he actually believes that???

It's a dumb and incorrect line purported by relevant administrators to make the least significant people (fans) feel like they're important and a part of the "show".

He also can't see TCR becoming the most popular series in the country? First of all, the most popular series in the country is F1.

TCR might not become the most popular series, but it doesn't have to to become the most relevant and meaningful race series in Australia.

Supercars has ignorant and rusted on fanbase, and they're not going to let it go for another series regardless. So that portion/demographic of the fanbase is irrelevant, even though they'd contribute to supercars' popularity.

It's a comment of his that afforms in my mind that V8 supercars fans are not even genuine race fans. So it doesn't matter how "popular" it is.

Supercars has absolutely no upside, whereas TCR (And 2 litre cars generally) have a lot of upside and flexibility.

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Posted - 14 Dec 2019 :  16:30:17  Show Profile  Click to see falcon_cobra's MSN Messenger address Send falcon_cobra a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
WAU to race BMW's in Australia and the Asia Pacific Championship, but probably not until the middle 2020 or 2021
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Posted - 14 Dec 2019 :  18:19:27  Show Profile  Visit Muz's Homepage Send Muz a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by journeyman racer

Supercars is dead. It's just not buried.

A couple of reasons why CAMS won't take ATCC status off supercars. Even though Supercars (competitors/industry/fans couldn't care less about the title, it makes a loud statement were ATCC status taken off them, which could cause supercars to be more disruptive politically.

The other reason is that even though they're administering the sport, I'm not sure there's genuine passionate race fans that are a part of the governing body. That being the case, it would surprise me if "they" don't get the significance of the title, and haven't even thought of making such a move.

Check troy out with the "Believe it or not fans are what keeps a series running" BS. I mean he actually believes that???

It's a dumb and incorrect line purported by relevant administrators to make the least significant people (fans) feel like they're important and a part of the "show".

He also can't see TCR becoming the most popular series in the country? First of all, the most popular series in the country is F1.

TCR might not become the most popular series, but it doesn't have to to become the most relevant and meaningful race series in Australia.

Supercars has ignorant and rusted on fanbase, and they're not going to let it go for another series regardless. So that portion/demographic of the fanbase is irrelevant, even though they'd contribute to supercars' popularity.

It's a comment of his that afforms in my mind that V8 supercars fans are not even genuine race fans. So it doesn't matter how "popular" it is.

Supercars has absolutely no upside, whereas TCR (And 2 litre cars generally) have a lot of upside and flexibility.



I agree with you on your thoughts with TCR, I enjoy that series. But I do note that you often talk or label people as 'genuine race fans'...what is your measure of a genuine race fan?

I think people follow motorsport for a very wide range of reasons, none are right nor wrong. But you assert otherwise - so what is a 'true' fan? To me, your assertion is more ignorant and rusted.

The great 2019 poll about whether Tricky should be banned or not ended in favour of Tricky staying, 75% to 25%
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Posted - 14 Dec 2019 :  19:07:58  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Muz

quote:
Originally posted by journeyman racer

Supercars is dead. It's just not buried.

A couple of reasons why CAMS won't take ATCC status off supercars. Even though Supercars (competitors/industry/fans couldn't care less about the title, it makes a loud statement were ATCC status taken off them, which could cause supercars to be more disruptive politically.

The other reason is that even though they're administering the sport, I'm not sure there's genuine passionate race fans that are a part of the governing body. That being the case, it would surprise me if "they" don't get the significance of the title, and haven't even thought of making such a move.

Check troy out with the "Believe it or not fans are what keeps a series running" BS. I mean he actually believes that???

It's a dumb and incorrect line purported by relevant administrators to make the least significant people (fans) feel like they're important and a part of the "show".

He also can't see TCR becoming the most popular series in the country? First of all, the most popular series in the country is F1.

TCR might not become the most popular series, but it doesn't have to to become the most relevant and meaningful race series in Australia.

Supercars has ignorant and rusted on fanbase, and they're not going to let it go for another series regardless. So that portion/demographic of the fanbase is irrelevant, even though they'd contribute to supercars' popularity.

It's a comment of his that afforms in my mind that V8 supercars fans are not even genuine race fans. So it doesn't matter how "popular" it is.

Supercars has absolutely no upside, whereas TCR (And 2 litre cars generally) have a lot of upside and flexibility.



I agree with you on your thoughts with TCR, I enjoy that series. But I do note that you often talk or label people as 'genuine race fans'...what is your measure of a genuine race fan?

I think people follow motorsport for a very wide range of reasons, none are right nor wrong. But you assert otherwise - so what is a 'true' fan? To me, your assertion is more ignorant and rusted.



Anyone that hates Supercars and jacks off over F1 and international motorsport categories.


FbF - ATCC title is where majority of the most talented drivers in the country are currently racing and I highly doubt they are going to take massive pay cuts at the peaks of their careers to join TCR. When Supercars dies it will likely change to TCR if itís growth continues. Perhaps if the big teams were to break away and join TCR or even start a new category altogether then supercars may lose it sooner.
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