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oldtimer
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The loudness of cars is, in any case, regulated at many tracks which limits differences.
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I was watching the coverage of it today. It was ok. The engine noise is overrated. Whether it's here or on other forums, I do note with some deprecation at how easily satisfied other fans are with these cars. They're happy with these, but F1 is crap for instance?



Outside of the Australian Grand Prix, I can't really get into Formula One as it doesn't really do anything for me.

Indycar does though, and I'm looking forward to see who gets into S5000 over time.


I meant 90s IRL.

I've been ot the GP. I'm astonished if people think a 5ltr V8, of any kind, is actually a bigger thrill to the sense as a current F1 car.

The F1 cars are louder nd more menacing.



umm... nope... was at the F1 this year and then trackside this weekend...

the S5000 cars are a fair bit louder and they sound better than the current crop of F1 cars.



I stand 50m before the braking for t3 at Albert Park (and have been anywhere from t9-13 less frequently). The F1 cars are louder (even if it's not a lot) and more menacing than supercars.

I'll check my original comment about being louder than a 5lt V8 of any kind, to being louder than a supercar. S5000 are loud, but overrated. Instead of being loud to reflect the driving at the particular point of the track, they're just loud for the sake of it.





again I'll have to respectfully disagree with you JR...

the F1 of course is a different sound but I think the Supercar is louder...

unless of course we are comparing to the 2 seater Minardi LOL

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Originally posted by journeyman racer

I was watching the coverage of it today. It was ok. The engine noise is overrated. Whether it's here or on other forums, I do note with some deprecation at how easily satisfied other fans are with these cars. They're happy with these, but F1 is crap for instance?

I found out in the coverage today that these cars have 550hp, and are 900kg! That is ordinary for a bigger openwheeler. The weight will contribute to a lack of thrill that is normally associated with these type of cars. But people will readily accept these. I'm not sure what people think they're looking at sometimes?

It's a slower IRL car.

Speaking of IRL. Watching the coverage, they made such a big deal about history being made and there was dramatic music accompanying it, you'd have thought it was a pre-IRL Indy 500. But it was just a qualifying race.




What a surprise to read this!

The great 2019 poll about whether Tricky should be banned or not ended in favour of Tricky staying, 75% to 25%
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Originally posted by journeyman racer

I was watching the coverage of it today. It was ok. The engine noise is overrated. Whether it's here or on other forums, I do note with some deprecation at how easily satisfied other fans are with these cars. They're happy with these, but F1 is crap for instance?

I found out in the coverage today that these cars have 550hp, and are 900kg! That is ordinary for a bigger openwheeler. The weight will contribute to a lack of thrill that is normally associated with these type of cars. But people will readily accept these. I'm not sure what people think they're looking at sometimes?

It's a slower IRL car.

Speaking of IRL. Watching the coverage, they made such a big deal about history being made and there was dramatic music accompanying it, you'd have thought it was a pre-IRL Indy 500. But it was just a qualifying race.




What a surprise to read this!


I'm not going to put up with your ****.

My opinions don't bother other users on here. Some have even expressed counter points, and I've had to check my own. (Obviously not you, though)

The weight of the car contributes to how "spectacular or "edgy" it looks. You look at the PR and praise s5000 gets, and it's a bit off the mark.

An F1 car has a power to weight ratio of 1.6, an S5000 is 0.6. They're moderate, and will look that way when they turn up to Albert Park, the same way supercars look slow and pedestrian on tv of GP weekend (Even though it's never acknowledged). But people **** on F1 cars.

An S5000 is just loud - BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Big deal.

Oh, but I forgot. You have a superficial interest in motor racing. How loud the cars are is a sign of how 'scary" they are as well. A big wing and front splitter also makes them look "mean" even if the performance is average. You also like the reference to paint schemes as "war paint" to make it sound more "exciting' and "dangerous".

I get it, You've followed motor racing for a long time, even though you don't like what it inherently is. That's your prerogative.

But never mind that. How high do those stadium trucks jump, hey? It's so exciting!



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hey JR... a question.

did you watch the S5000s at all over the weekend? on tv or at the track? I was trackside working so a bit closer to the action than the average punter and getting to see the movement in the cars was good to watch! the drivers were fighting the cars, they were skipping around on the road, they were nose to tail and seemed to be able to stay that way with minimal effect on the following car which is a bugbear for many open wheeler categories which can't achieve that.

perhaps there is a difference in perspective there?

absolutely I agree with you that they are not F1... but they never set out to be that. in previous posts we talked about the sound and I like it, you don't... that's just preference but for me it is a part of the show and it does add to it...

neither are they F5000... they are nowhere near as raucous or raw... a step back perhaps but do we want to go back to the era where a car can put you in the fence if you look at it wrong? the sound is less and the presence is less but I will take the current safety any day over yesteryear's cars.

it is an affordable tribute I reckon (as far as affordable can be for racing these days) to open wheel racing...

there needs to be the affordability for the owners/drivers which seems to be there... that leads to the necessary sponsorships and tv coverage which seems to be coming via interest this year from SBS and potentially from Ch7 next year which will be a good thing.

they are most definitely a nod to Aussie engineering and a credit I think to those who put the whole shebang together.

the fans at the fence loved the show (even though they were disappointed by the shortness of the main event).. again something that will attract outside dollars to the events they run at...

if the S5000 was your baby what would you have done differently that would have made it better?

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JR seems to bag the the crap out of anything Australian.

F1 cars sound like absolute dog**** compared to the past so perhaps that is why people keep bringing it up.

Sure S5000 are not the best cars in the world nor will it be the greatest series ever but overall they were ok. Cars are safe, seem cheapish to repair and run, racing was ok and will improve as drivers and teams get a handle on things so I am looking forward to watching it for a bit.

I like watching a race where you do not know the events winner prior to practice 1.
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I thought it was great to watch! If they do it right then this could be a proper successful top line open wheeler category. A place for aspiring Aussie racers, former F1 drivers and youngsters who didn't make it to F1 to go. This could be like an Australian IndyCar.



























































































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Posted - 27 Sep 2019 :  10:32:13  Show Profile  Visit Muz's Homepage Send Muz a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by journeyman racer

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I was watching the coverage of it today. It was ok. The engine noise is overrated. Whether it's here or on other forums, I do note with some deprecation at how easily satisfied other fans are with these cars. They're happy with these, but F1 is crap for instance?

I found out in the coverage today that these cars have 550hp, and are 900kg! That is ordinary for a bigger openwheeler. The weight will contribute to a lack of thrill that is normally associated with these type of cars. But people will readily accept these. I'm not sure what people think they're looking at sometimes?

It's a slower IRL car.

Speaking of IRL. Watching the coverage, they made such a big deal about history being made and there was dramatic music accompanying it, you'd have thought it was a pre-IRL Indy 500. But it was just a qualifying race.




What a surprise to read this!


I'm not going to put up with your ****.

My opinions don't bother other users on here. Some have even expressed counter points, and I've had to check my own. (Obviously not you, though)

The weight of the car contributes to how "spectacular or "edgy" it looks. You look at the PR and praise s5000 gets, and it's a bit off the mark.

An F1 car has a power to weight ratio of 1.6, an S5000 is 0.6. They're moderate, and will look that way when they turn up to Albert Park, the same way supercars look slow and pedestrian on tv of GP weekend (Even though it's never acknowledged). But people **** on F1 cars.

An S5000 is just loud - BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Big deal.

Oh, but I forgot. You have a superficial interest in motor racing. How loud the cars are is a sign of how 'scary" they are as well. A big wing and front splitter also makes them look "mean" even if the performance is average. You also like the reference to paint schemes as "war paint" to make it sound more "exciting' and "dangerous".

I get it, You've followed motor racing for a long time, even though you don't like what it inherently is. That's your prerogative.

But never mind that. How high do those stadium trucks jump, hey? It's so exciting!






I type six words, leave two smiley's and you go off your rocker. Man, you are a ****ing psychopath!

I appreciate the assumptions you have made about my interest in motorsport. In fact, all of those things you have referenced me as liking, I have not mentioned - not once - as things that I like. I have not commented on the sound of the cars at all.

As others have pointed out, you seem to hate everything with Australian motorsport. So, my question to you, is what would you do with S5000 to make it more to your liking?

Perhaps instead of acting like the proper flog you are in your day-to-day life, going off at people who don't see it your way, I'm keen to hear your constructive criticism, not your usual 'this ain't like the old days' bull****.

FYI...this is how high the stadium super trucks jump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxEGOHARQ7c

And quite frankly, I would be more impressed if it was higher.

The great 2019 poll about whether Tricky should be banned or not ended in favour of Tricky staying, 75% to 25%
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S5000 is not F! or F2 or Indy. It is a new class design to suit a relatively smaller population and restrict costs, while providing some driving excitement.

They have done an excellent job.

In the tradition of the great F5000 of the past, they have used an F3 type chassis and hung a v8 in the back and tried for locally made durable parts hanging off it.

Using a state of the art chassis instead of old chassis or locally constructed chassis can only be good for driver safety.

Noise is relative and is heavily restricted anyway.

S5000 is just S5000. Just accept it and also accept that this is a S5000 thread.
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Originally posted by oldtimer

S5000 is not F! or F2 or Indy. It is a new class design to suit a relatively smaller population and restrict costs, while providing some driving excitement.

They have done an excellent job.

In the tradition of the great F5000 of the past, they have used an F3 type chassis and hung a v8 in the back and tried for locally made durable parts hanging off it.

Using a state of the art chassis instead of old chassis or locally constructed chassis can only be good for driver safety.

Noise is relative and is heavily restricted anyway.

S5000 is just S5000. Just accept it and also accept that this is a S5000 thread.




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Posted - 05 Nov 2019 :  14:48:57  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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FYI...this is how high the stadium super trucks jump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxEGOHARQ7c

And quite frankly, I would be more impressed if it was higher.


You'd be more impressed if they go higher (And presumably want them to?)

Did you know the higher they go, the slower they go. That's counter-productive to racing. You of course wouldn't know that because you're theatre goer, as opposed to someone who actually like racing.

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As others have pointed out, you seem to hate everything with Australian motorsport. So, my question to you, is what would you do with S5000 to make it more to your liking?


Whoever said that is a dope (Unless it's LG or Fbf).

I'll answer you question later as I have to go now.

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Originally posted by oldtimer

S5000 is not F! or F2 or Indy. It is a new class design to suit a relatively smaller population and restrict costs, while providing some driving excitement.

They have done an excellent job.

In the tradition of the great F5000 of the past, they have used an F3 type chassis and hung a v8 in the back and tried for locally made durable parts hanging off it.

Using a state of the art chassis instead of old chassis or locally constructed chassis can only be good for driver safety.

Noise is relative and is heavily restricted anyway.

S5000 is just S5000. Just accept it and also accept that this is a S5000 thread.


Is you post directed at somebody?

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FYI...this is how high the stadium super trucks jump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxEGOHARQ7c

And quite frankly, I would be more impressed if it was higher.


You'd be more impressed if they go higher (And presumably want them to?)

Did you know the higher they go, the slower they go. That's counter-productive to racing. You of course wouldn't know that because you're theatre goer, as opposed to someone who actually like racing.




Lol. Hook, line and sinker. Have a good day

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Highlight of your posting.

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Thomas Randle has completed a clean sweep of Friday practice after topping both of the day’s S5000 sessions at The Bend Motorsport Park.

Having set the fastest time in the day’s opener, Randle dominated the back end of afternoon’s 20-minute hit out to finish more than half a second clear of the field.

1:41.2460


https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/11/15/dominant-randle-clean-sweeps-friday-practice/

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His best proved just ... shy of the outright lap record, currently held by John Magro at 1:40.7295 at the wheel of a Formula 3 car.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/11/15/randle-fastest-in-opening-s5000-practice/

It is interesting to see that, at this stage, S5000 performance is similar to F3.

Perhaps they could look at adding a class for F3 cars to fill the grid.

For decades, open wheeler classes ran together, often with a far greater speed disparity.

Surely the current drivers are no less capable of mixing with different cars than they were last Century.
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