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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 17 Mar 2020 :  09:27:19  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
If a poster chooses to post rubbish or attack another poster, don't join in.
The previous incarnation of this topic was locked because of the rubbish.
Time to ignore the rubbish and get back to the topic.
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oldtimer
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I wonder if 2022 ia too soon for Gen3 changes. 2023 might be better.

Certainly, the compressed 2020 series, if any, would not allow teams to produce new reg cars for 2021 as Ryan Walkinshaw advocates.

The losses that ALL car companies will be making due to current closures will make them less likely to agree to funding a new car.

As far as I can find, Ford is not committed to anything replacing the current Mustang iteration and want to get more use out of current cars. DJR/TP certainly do.

If current Super1 cars are made redundant, there are no ready purchasers. Current Super2 teams are struggling to fill seats in their current cars. Customers would probably go to another series if costs get too high.

Here is an interesting recent article, but it has a lot of speculation:
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Are utes the future of Supercars after Holden disappears?

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/is-this-the-future-of-supercars-after-holdens-exit-78133
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abhibeckert
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Originally posted by oldtimer

As far as I can find, Ford is not committed to anything replacing the current Mustang iteration and want to get more use out of current cars. DJR/TP certainly do.

I donít think they will do what is best for DJRTP.

They will do what is best for the small struggling teams who are going to find it extremely difficult to stay on the grid during what clearly will be difficult times.

That might mean keeping the current car to cut costs, or it might mean adopting a totally different spec cars as part of a deal to bring new manufacturers (and sponsorship dollars) into the sport.

Everything should be on the table right now - all we can do is wait.
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journeyman racer
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quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

If a poster chooses to post rubbish or attack another poster, don't join in.
The previous incarnation of this topic was locked because of the rubbish.
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C'mon man?

You can't have a serious conversation about the serious topic of future regs, and not consider 2 litre cars.

When a supposed "fan" refers to them as buzz boxes. They just show they still don't get the point of motor racing, and they can't be a serious contributor to the topic in the first place. Their interest in motorsport is akin to a house mum in the 80s watching Days of Our Lives.

What kind of conversation could you have otherwise?

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Rampaging Monkey
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Originally posted by journeyman racer
You can't have a serious conversation about the serious topic of future regs, and not consider 2 litre cars.



It is indeed outrageous to rule out 2 litre cars, especially since they already raced in the ATCC producing upwards of 550hp and they can easily do so again.


"No V8 necessary"

A modern 2 litre turbo can certainly produce the same 645hp as the current 5 litre engines -- of course that's too much power for a FWD so they would need to be RWD (more along the lines of Mustang Ecoboost than Focus ST), but that's not a big problem.

All the coupes that might be targeted by Gen 3 regulations offer a four-cylinder engine option, just like the iconic Sierra, DR30 and 240T coupes of days gone by.

Edited by - Rampaging Monkey on 23 Mar 2020 15:07:45
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Legendary Gerry
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quote:
Originally posted by journeyman racer

quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

If a poster chooses to post rubbish or attack another poster, don't join in.
The previous incarnation of this topic was locked because of the rubbish.
Time to ignore the rubbish and get back to the topic.



C'mon man?

You can't have a serious conversation about the serious topic of future regs, and not consider 2 litre cars.

When a supposed "fan" refers to them as buzz boxes. They just show they still don't get the point of motor racing, and they can't be a serious contributor to the topic in the first place. Their interest in motorsport is akin to a house mum in the 80s watching Days of Our Lives.

What kind of conversation could you have otherwise?



No-one said different engines couldn't be discussed.
That's possibly just a figment of your imagination...
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skaifeman
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Posted - 22 Mar 2020 :  18:12:53  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by journeyman racer

Nah, you're a theatre goer. Your interest in motorsport in too narrow. Nobody fair dinkum about motorsport looks at 2 litre cars and goes "those things are **** boxes!!" A normal racing fan looks at 2 litre cars and recognises that it's car racing. They recognise they're 2 litre car and don't think anything of the engine noise. They take it for what it is and that's it.

The Falcon and Commodore would be the 2 best selling cars in the country? That definitely shows how out of touch you are. GM and Ford don't even want to be selling those cars!

I said you were a theatregoer, and that you're interest in motorsport is superficial. That why whatever Gen 3, Gen 4, Gen5, Gen 182 are, it's going to fail. Even if you thought the regs were great, some other "fan" will find something **** about it. Another "fan" will find something else **** about it. It's never satisfy the same "fanbase".

You also don't get that int he evolution of motorsport, the small cars is always supposed to take over from the bigger cars. That's what's happened in the motoring industry, 2 litre cars are the biggest sellers, overtaking 3ltr+ V6s a long time ago. Motorsport in Aus hasn't followed because we have a demented commercial organisation catering to the vested interests of a clique, and fake fans who have no idea of what actual motor racing is supposed to be. It shows with supercars being a series for fake cars.

Keep buying high mark up merchandise you can't wear anywhere other than a race track. Impoverished African nations wouldn't wear them.


I certainly agree with you, but for an extreme comparison:
There's certainly a difference (generally, a tingling feeling between the legs) between a proper V8/10/12 F1 going through Eu Rouge compared to the tyre screech/wind breaking Formula E.


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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Rampaging Monkey
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Posted - 23 Mar 2020 :  15:02:39  Show Profile  Visit Rampaging Monkey's Homepage Send Rampaging Monkey a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by skaifeman
I certainly agree with you, but for an extreme comparison:
There's certainly a difference (generally, a tingling feeling between the legs) between a proper V8/10/12 F1 going through Eu Rouge compared to the tyre screech/wind breaking Formula E.



The current V6 hybrid turbo Formula 1 cars are somewhere in the middle.

Certainly not as spine-tingling as the V12s or V10s, but they could be worse. I'm used to how they sound now, I guess.

4-cylinder turbos in the ATCC would be much the same. With a largish muffler on them, the Sierras can sound quite smooth and pleasant. However some of the TCRs are a bit too raspy and farty sounding to be pleasant to listen too.
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journeyman racer
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Posted - 23 Mar 2020 :  23:09:43  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

quote:
Originally posted by journeyman racer

quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

If a poster chooses to post rubbish or attack another poster, don't join in.
The previous incarnation of this topic was locked because of the rubbish.
Time to ignore the rubbish and get back to the topic.



C'mon man?

You can't have a serious conversation about the serious topic of future regs, and not consider 2 litre cars.

When a supposed "fan" refers to them as buzz boxes. They just show they still don't get the point of motor racing, and they can't be a serious contributor to the topic in the first place. Their interest in motorsport is akin to a house mum in the 80s watching Days of Our Lives.

What kind of conversation could you have otherwise?



No-one said different engines couldn't be discussed.
That's possibly just a figment of your imagination...


Different engines can be discussed. But I'm saying what potential is there for a meaningful discussion when a guy is clearly not fair dinkum about the subject?

It's not the early 90s anymore. Back then, there were a wider range of options and 2lt 4cyl were distinctly smaller cars. Nowadays, they're not small. They're actually a big, standard size now.

So where can a conversation go when a guy refers to TCR as "buzz boxes"? You can write 2,000 post articulating why 2lt is merited as the premier class, and it'll just go in one ear and out the other. Then say "Buzz box"

Calling a TCR "buzz box" is like calling a F3 car a buzz box. It's stupid.

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