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abhibeckert
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Posted - 07 Apr 2020 :  10:39:54  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Fast by Ferracci

Without Penske and the B2B benefits his business can offer, it will be difficult to maintain the status quo

Winning a championship is always difficult. With or without Penske.

Edited by - abhibeckert on 07 Apr 2020 10:40:23
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Fast by Ferracci
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Posted - 07 Apr 2020 :  17:08:26  Show Profile Send Fast by Ferracci a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by Fast by Ferracci

Without Penske and the B2B benefits his business can offer, it will be difficult to maintain the status quo

Winning a championship is always difficult. With or without Penske.



That has nothing to do with the conversation

I was talking about budget levels
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Originally posted by REM



Sounds like Penske being involved saved us from a bore fest then heh! Hope he sticks around....can't see him leaving and the usual gossip factories Speedcafe, AA and Supercars site aren't touching the story/rumour...



Sometimes, when you're a part of the machine, it can be difficult to write the stories that you want to. This could be for a number of reasons, but "A Team" giving information/access to a journalist in return for some sort of favourable article is a bit like owing something to the Mafia boss.

When you're outside that system, its easier to publish what you know, or think you know, without as much consequence.

'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'
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troy01505
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Posted - 08 Apr 2020 :  09:27:19  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by REM

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

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Originally posted by troy01505

Do you mean like before Roger started spending his own money to get the team to the top? Doubt it ! They could barely show up each round.


I doubt he spent his own money except for the initial purchase of 51% of the team - which would now be worth a heck of a lot more today.

The Captain's reputation and track record of success enabled the team to find the best sponsors and the best people.

I trust Ryan Story has everything he needs to take what Penske created and keep it going. The only real threat to the team is Scotty Mac's exit.



Shell wouldnít be around if Ludo and Scotty were not part of the plan, to achieve that plan he used heaps of money through his various companies and probably still is propping up the team a little. He also uses resources from his other teams which are not paid for via the Supercars team. Ryan Story would be working elsewhere if Penske didnít save the team, Ludo would still be at triple 8 with out his big payrise and Triple 8 would have a couple more championship trophies on their shelf.



Sounds like Penske being involved saved us from a bore fest then heh! Hope he sticks around....can't see him leaving and the usual gossip factories Speedcafe, AA and Supercars site aren't touching the story/rumour...



People were whinging about how boring it was to watch red bull drive away from the field because of some sort of advantage then Penske came along and drove away from the with the mustang and some sort of advantage. If it was a bore fest before then it is a bore fest now, changing colours on the front running car would make no difference.

Without Penske the sport has no brand interested in the sport so bye bye Supercars. He has them over a barrel.
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AlbertM
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Difference is, Penske broke almost a decade of 888 domination. Mustang had 1 great year in front before it was knobbled.

Sends a clear message to any new manufactures that, if you do well, you'll get clipped.

Without a manufacturer challenger to Penske, what's the point?

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford

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troy01505
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quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Difference is, Penske broke almost a decade of 888 domination. Mustang had 1 great year in front before it was knobbled.

Sends a clear message to any new manufactures that, if you do well, you'll get clipped.

Without a manufacturer challenger to Penske, what's the point?



Yes a clear message that theyíll enforce parity regardless of how fat your wallet is

Thatís not what the topic is about though!

You have to agree that Penske is smart enough to pull the pin before the sport totally crashes and burns


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AlbertM
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To bad such parity wasn't enforced when Volvo and Nissan were involved and the the "fat wallet" of 888 cleaned up.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 09 Apr 2020 :  14:11:42  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

I thought this thread was about a Penske rumour...
Obviously, my bad.



For those who still seem to be having some difficulties...


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REM
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Canít comment on Penske per se, but in the current AA, Seamer has been getting good support and commitment from Kay at Ford in recent days.....by inference itís hard to imagine if Penske were going to pull the plug?

That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes
And Lenny Bruce is not afraid!
"Remember that in the end nobody wins, unless everybody wins!" Springsteen BTR.



Edited by - REM on 11 Apr 2020 13:32:02
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HydroRacer
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quote:
Originally posted by CP

Roger came here to win and to sell more trucks.

Championships were won, the Bathurst 1000 was won (in disputed circumstances) and sales of MAN and Western Star trucks are up.

It's almost as if this racing thing was entirely a ruse to sell more trucks and Detroit engines.



Along with all other Heavy Vehicle sales. Drawing a very long bow there mate.......HV sales are cyclic and were drawn into line with the GFC. Suggesting this has anything to do with Scotty winning is very wishful thinking
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joe5619
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Posted - 15 Apr 2020 :  22:37:54  Show Profile Send joe5619 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by AlbertM

To bad such parity wasn't enforced when Volvo and Nissan were involved and the the "fat wallet" of 888 cleaned up.

People really need to build a ****en bridge!!!
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Mechz
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Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

To bad such parity wasn't enforced when Volvo and Nissan were involved and the the "fat wallet" of 888 cleaned up.

People really need to build a ****en bridge!!!



Why should they? We might have a better series now with less impact from the Holden exit if the other 3 brands were even mildly competitive (barring a couple of Volvo wins that were undoubtedly more to do with Scotty's driving skills).

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joe5619
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Posted - 16 Apr 2020 :  16:52:24  Show Profile Send joe5619 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Mechz

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Originally posted by joe5619

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Originally posted by AlbertM

To bad such parity wasn't enforced when Volvo and Nissan were involved and the the "fat wallet" of 888 cleaned up.

People really need to build a ****en bridge!!!



Why should they? We might have a better series now with less impact from the Holden exit if the other 3 brands were even mildly competitive (barring a couple of Volvo wins that were undoubtedly more to do with Scotty's driving skills).

1) Merc was never in
2) Volvo left for reasons not related to Holden or parity
3) Nissin left becuase of lack of results & themselves + Kelly's have some blame in that if you ask me
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skaifeman
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Posted - 16 Apr 2020 :  17:55:06  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

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Originally posted by Mechz

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

To bad such parity wasn't enforced when Volvo and Nissan were involved and the the "fat wallet" of 888 cleaned up.

People really need to build a ****en bridge!!!



Why should they? We might have a better series now with less impact from the Holden exit if the other 3 brands were even mildly competitive (barring a couple of Volvo wins that were undoubtedly more to do with Scotty's driving skills).

1) Merc was never in
2) Volvo left for reasons not related to Holden or parity
3) Nissin left becuase of lack of results & themselves + Kelly's have some blame in that if you ask me


Agree 100% on the top two. We've discussed Volvo in previous threads and to suggest they left for anything else other than what they did is ridiculous.
Merc never wanted in, but enjoyed taking fistfuls of cash from Betty. It was her mistake from the beginning to push her way.
They were even given concession/rule changes to use flatplane cranks and FBW, which was never done before (and from memory not allowed). IIRC Nissan were kept in the dark about this.

Disagree with Nissan (as eluded above). Supercars should've had a set of engine regs that allowed them to run something they (and anyone entering) preferred. The engine regs released a couple years ago were 5 years too late.
This in turn might've had Merc properly interested, or brought more takers onboard.

This was all done not to advantage Holden - like most alfoil lovers on here would love to think. It kept both FORD and HOLDEN well and truly with their foot in the door because of the (now dwindling) V8 culture in Australia. Ford v Holden was their key market at the time, so the regs had to suit them - now proven a bad business move.

And after all this, Ford gaining maximum advantage of the regs in recent years (plus a little beyond), it would seem they've gained the most from it... and still (possibly) want to pull the pin. Which is where this discussion lies...

@ REM - You're on point. If Ford stays, I'd say that's because the Captain is. Unless Tickford hold the key to most of their future Mustang sales (with the performance shop and all).


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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Dasha
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quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Difference is, Penske broke almost a decade of 888 domination. Mustang had 1 great year in front before it was knobbled.

Sends a clear message to any new manufactures that, if you do well, you'll get clipped.

Without a manufacturer challenger to Penske, what's the point?

I agree 100 %

For great racing just add water.
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