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Trickyonne
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Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  17:59:45  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Interesting fact:

Kiwi's trust Buddhists the most. Evangelical Christians the least. Jews Hindus & atheists/agnostics share 2nd equal trust ranking.
Protestant, Muslims & Catholics 5th equal.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/which-religious-groups-do-kiwis-trust-the-most-and-least.html



Yes that is interesting.....if you interested in trumped up news polls I guess...iam surprised that the muslims didn’t fair better since the poll was taken not long after the Christchurch attacks tho

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quote:
Originally posted by djr18fan

Interesting fact:

Kiwi's trust Buddhists the most. Evangelical Christians the least. Jews Hindus & atheists/agnostics share 2nd equal trust ranking.
Protestant, Muslims & Catholics 5th equal.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/which-religious-groups-do-kiwis-trust-the-most-and-least.html



Yes that is interesting.....if you interested in trumped up news polls I guess...iam surprised that the muslims didn’t fair better since the poll was taken not long after the Christchurch attacks tho


Trumped up probably hasca new meaning these days.

Did you notice in the analysis, that experts say that the larger religions are certain to have lower real trust ratings that the raw survey results showed? Because when conducting the survey, some of the people surveyed would have belonged to a particular religion and would be highly unlikely to say they didn't trust that religion.
Therefore you are right. Muslims would be trusted more than Christians.

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Originally posted by djr18fan

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Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by djr18fan

Interesting fact:

Kiwi's trust Buddhists the most. Evangelical Christians the least. Jews Hindus & atheists/agnostics share 2nd equal trust ranking.
Protestant, Muslims & Catholics 5th equal.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/which-religious-groups-do-kiwis-trust-the-most-and-least.html



Yes that is interesting.....if you interested in trumped up news polls I guess...iam surprised that the muslims didn’t fair better since the poll was taken not long after the Christchurch attacks tho


Trumped up probably hasca new meaning these days.

Did you notice in the analysis, that experts say that the larger religions are certain to have lower real trust ratings that the raw survey results showed? Because when conducting the survey, some of the people surveyed would have belonged to a particular religion and would be highly unlikely to say they didn't trust that religion.
Therefore you are right. Muslims would be trusted more than Christians.



ok mate

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But, but Muslims...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHybkAY6grs

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But, but Muslims...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHybkAY6grs



you guys watch some funny stuff

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Here's a very interesting article on the so called Second Amendment that many in the USA, including the NRA, sprout as gospel for them being allowed to have guns.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-americas-gun-fanatics-wont-tell-you-2016-06-14?fbclid=IwAR3kQ8sadpNQ68sfzifUQeoDOQGZsbY5cQRrfrOnYGvm-NuTuxzWsCkKddc




The Second Amendment doesn’t give you the right to own a gun
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Brett
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Columnist

Alexander Hamilton said a “well-regulated militia” would help safeguard the freedom of the new republic because it would make the creation of a professional, mercenary army “unnecessary.”

Can we please stop pretending that the Second Amendment contains an unfettered right for everyone to buy a gun? It doesn’t, and it never has. The claims made by the small number of extremists, before and after the Orlando, Fla., massacre, are based on a deliberate lie.

The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution doesn’t just say Congress shall not infringe the right to “keep and bear arms.” It specifically says that right exists in order to maintain “a well-regulated militia.” Even the late conservative Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonin Scalia admitted those words weren’t in there by accident. Oh, and the Constitution doesn’t just say a “militia.” It says a “well-regulated” militia.

What did the Founding Fathers mean by that? We don’t have to guess because they told us. In Federalist No. 29 of the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton explained at great length precisely what a “well-regulated militia” was, why the Founding Fathers thought we needed one, and why they wanted to protect it from being disarmed by the federal government.

The Second Amendment is an instrument of government. It’s not about hunting or gun collecting or carrying your pistol into the saloon.

And there’s a reason absolutely no gun extremist will ever direct you to that 1788 essay because it blows their baloney into a million pieces.

A “well-regulated militia” didn’t mean guys who read Soldier of Fortune magazine running around in the woods with AK-47s and warpaint on their faces. It basically meant what today we call the National Guard.

It should be a properly constituted, ordered and drilled (“well-regulated”) military force, organized state by state, explained Hamilton. Each state militia should be a “select corps,” “well-trained” and able to perform all the “operations of an army.” The militia needed “uniformity in … organization and discipline,” wrote Hamilton, so that it could operate like a proper army “in camp and field,” and so that it could gain the “essential … degree of proficiency in military functions.” And although it was organized state by state, it needed to be under the explicit control of the national government. The “well-regulated militia” was under the command of the president. It was “the military arm” of the government.


The one big difference between this militia and a professional army? It shouldn’t be made up of full-time professional soldiers, said the Founding Fathers. Such soldiers could be used against the people as King George had used his mercenary Redcoats. Instead, the American republic should make up its military force from part-time volunteers drawn from regular citizens. Such men would be less likely to turn on the population.

And the creation of this “well-regulated militia,” aka the National Guard, would help safeguard the freedom of the new republic because it would make the creation of a professional, mercenary army “unnecessary,” wrote Hamilton. “This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it,” he wrote.

That was the point. And that was why they wanted to make sure it couldn’t be disarmed by the federal government: So a future “tyrant” couldn’t disarm the National Guard, and then use a mercenary army to impose martial law.

The Founding Fathers didn’t call the republic’s new force an “army” because that term more than two centuries ago called to mind the British army, foreign mercenaries, tyrants and kings. So they said “militia” instead. But they meant a real body. Hamilton was scathing about the idea that the “militia” could just mean every Bob, Billy and Benjamin with his musket. Such amateurs would stand no chance in modern warfare against professionals, he wrote. And requiring every citizen to become a professional would be ridiculous, he said. It would be “a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss,” he wrote. Taking people away from their work in order to train them “would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country.”


The Second Amendment is an instrument of government. It’s not about hunting or gun collecting or carrying your pistol into the saloon. The Founding Fathers left it up to us to pass sensible laws about all these things. The Constitution is about government.

Today we have a professional army, anyway. Military matters have become so complex that no part-time soldiers could do it all. So you could argue that makes the Second Amendment null and void, like the parts in the Constitution about slaves and Indians being counted as “three-fifths” of a person in the Census.


But even if you still want to defend the Second Amendment, it should apply only to those who volunteer to join the “select corps” of their National Guard, undergo rigorous training to attain “proficiency in military functions” and perform the “operations of an army,” serve as ordered under the ultimate command of the president and be subject to military discipline.

So if you’re running around waving your AK-47 under the Second Amendment, and you haven’t shown up yet at your local National Guard headquarters, you’re not a “patriot.” You’re a deserter.
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Posted - 15 Aug 2019 :  11:55:15  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
That's not an interesting fact. That's an interesting read.
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Posted - 15 Aug 2019 :  12:33:30  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
It could be a fact CP.
I don't know the American constitution well enough to judge it either way.
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Trickyonne
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Posted - 15 Aug 2019 :  13:13:57  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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That's not an interesting fact. That's an interesting read.



You’ve been listening to Zac too much

Another shooting today


seriously.....this is news worthy ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-17/same-sex-couples-ivf-treatment-set-up-for-heterosexuals/11420074

the world has gone crazy

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Posted - 17 Aug 2019 :  11:04:31  Show Profile Send djr18fan a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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seriously.....this is news worthy ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-17/same-sex-couples-ivf-treatment-set-up-for-heterosexuals/11420074




Definitely. Thanks for sharing.

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Trickyonne
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Posted - 17 Aug 2019 :  11:39:43  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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seriously.....this is news worthy ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-17/same-sex-couples-ivf-treatment-set-up-for-heterosexuals/11420074




Definitely. Thanks for sharing.



Why ?....I’m certainly far from a doctor, but it would seem that the woman were medically able to have children.....so it’s not a medical problem....I know the social justice warriors like yourself struggle with that concept but it’s medically truthful

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Interesting fact indeed.




Fifty years ago, a young shearer travelled from Australia to Israel to orchestrate a plot he believed would prompt the return of Jesus Christ and usher in the end of the world.

Denis Michael Rohan started a fire which seriously damaged Jerusalem's Al Aqsa mosque — one of Islam's holiest sites — and shook a region already shrouded in tension.

Many Muslims believed the attack had been orchestrated by Israel, and protests erupted across the Middle East.

Carlo Aldrovandi, who researches religion, conflict and peacemaking in the region, says the political consequences still ring today.

"It was a tremendous historical watershed," he tells RN's Late Night Live.

Rohan, religion, and the radio

In the early 1960s Rohan was working as a shearer in Grenfell, in the central-west of New South Wales.

He had suffered a mental breakdown in the mid-60s, and did a stint at Bloomfield psychiatric hospital in Orange.

This was where he first discovered the Radio Church of God and an American religious broadcast called The World Tomorrow, which was syndicated on commercial radio throughout Australia.

Its presenter, Herbert W Armstrong, was known for prophesising the end of the world that would dawn after a global war centred around Jerusalem.

In 1969, at 28 years of age, Rohan travelled to Jerusalem.

Around four months later, on August 21, he carried a thermos flask of kerosene into the Al Aqsa mosque and started a blaze.

"It has been proved that Rohan acted alone motivated largely by his own apocalyptic belief," Dr Aldrovandi says.

"[He believed] that destroying the existing Islamic shrines and replacing them with a temple would have brought about the advent of Jesus Christ."

The fire destroyed an 800-year-old precious pulpit, known as the Minbar of Saladin, before it was put out.

"The damage caused by the arson was awful and it is evident when you see the photographs of the events," Dr Aldrovandi says.

Rohan was arrested the day after the fire at a kibbutz north of Tel Aviv, where he'd been learning Hebrew since his arrival in Israel.

He told police his study of the Bible had convinced him that God wanted him to destroy the mosque.

At his trial he said he was trying to hasten the return of Jesus Christ, fulfilling the will of God communicated to him through the Bible.

"God told me that because I have obeyed him, I will be lifted up above the Earth and God shall bring all the maidens of Israel to me to bear offspring to God's glory," he told the court.

Three judges ultimately decided there was "no doubt" that Rohan was mentally ill.

He was subsequently hospitalised, and half a decade later his requests to be brought back to Australia were granted.

Eventually, he fell back into society and little is known about the remainder of his life.

A holy site

The Al Aqsa mosque is located on a hill in the Old City of Jerusalem that for thousands of years has been venerated as a holy site in Judaism, Christianity and Islam alike.

"The Temple Mount is the centre of of the world according to the Jewish and Islamic tradition," Dr Aldrovandi says.

Muslims believe the mosque is built upon the site that the Prophet Mohammed ascended into Heaven.

For Jews it is called the Temple Mount, the site of the ancient Temple of Solomon, which was destroyed and rebuilt twice.

In biblical prophecy, a third restoration of Solomon's temple — the Third Temple — would mean the return of Jesus. This is the basis of Christian Zionism.

A new era for Islamist politics

In the wake of the fire, Muslims in Jerusalem and across the world protested, often with violence.

Many Arab leaders were convinced the attack had been orchestrated by Israel.

"[Rohan's] acts were, and are still seen today by many Muslims and Palestinians, as being orchestrated by the Israeli government," Dr Aldrovandi says.

Muslim nations came together in Morocco and unanimously agreed Israel was responsible.

The move led to the formation of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, an attempt to represent this pan-Islamic sentiment and unity.

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It was the first global Islamic organisation, and it still exists today.

The "collective voice of the Muslim world", as it calls itself, has permanent delegations to the United Nations and the European Union.

Christian Zionism and Al Aqsa today

The road to the apocalypse

RN's Background Briefing looked at Denis Michael Rohan and his legacy for the 40th anniversary of the arson attack.
Dr Aldrovandi says a small minority of evangelical Christians and Jews still have apocalyptic visions associated with the destruction of the Al Aqsa Mosque and the building of the Third Temple.

"A minority of Temple Mount activists believe that human action should take place in order to force a full sovereignty over the Temple Mount," Dr Aldrovandi says.

"A very minute minority ... would like to build the Third Temple.

"It's very difficult to understand whether or not this entails of destruction of the existing Islamic shrines."

The evangelical leaders of the US Christian Zionist movement also want to reclaim the Temple Mount and have formed close alliances with Jewish religious groups.

Dr Aldrovandi says the movement is closely connected to the Trump administration.

"They were very prominent during the Bush administration and they went dormant during the Obama era," he says.

"Now they're back with Trump because Trump relies on the evangelical bloc in electoral terms.

"If you see [the US Israel-Palestinian] peace plan now, some may argue that has been influenced to some extent by the evangelical lobby."

Dr Aldrovandi predicts the Temple Mount will remain a source of tension in the years to come.

"It's a place that reflects on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and at the same time the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has an impact on Temple Mount," he says.

"The Temple Mount will remain a catalyst."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-24/denis-rohan-and-the-al-aqsa-mosque-50-years/11429332?WT.ac=statenews_nsw
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Posted - 24 Aug 2019 :  12:52:12  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Interesting read CP mate....is shows that both sides are just itching for a fight and any excuse is an excuse for violence.

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Posted - 24 Aug 2019 :  12:54:59  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I got confused by this bit CP.

"Space to play or pause, M to mute, left and right arrows to seek, up and down arrows for volume."

And then I saw the light...
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Posted - 25 Aug 2019 :  08:40:53  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
A good read

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-commies-and-companies-get-burned-by-the-same-fire/news-story/5d066c99bd46cde64b84f7d65cfb5b2b

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