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Muz
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Posted - 01 May 2012 :  14:00:48  Show Profile  Visit Muz's Homepage Send Muz a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Bang on the money there bigem. I think the win will achieve more for Stoner in the mental stakes than the points will get him.

Pedrobot and Lorenzo must be thinking if this guys has our measure here what is he going to do when fully fit.

As for Rossi I think we are seeing how he would have really performed in his career without the best bikes & best rubber. Even in 125s and 250s he's always had the best equipment and add to that the competition in the top class wasn't super competitive when he come on to the scene.



Really? From my recollection his move to Yamaha was going to be a disaster according to media and MotoGP commentators, yet he managed to win the championship the year he moved there.

He has beaten some of the best when they have had the best bikes also - I reckon he has had the benefit of a lot of talent too.

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Posted - 01 May 2012 :  14:08:46  Show Profile Send HDT05 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Muz

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Originally posted by velly4

Bang on the money there bigem. I think the win will achieve more for Stoner in the mental stakes than the points will get him.

Pedrobot and Lorenzo must be thinking if this guys has our measure here what is he going to do when fully fit.

As for Rossi I think we are seeing how he would have really performed in his career without the best bikes & best rubber. Even in 125s and 250s he's always had the best equipment and add to that the competition in the top class wasn't super competitive when he come on to the scene.



Really? From my recollection his move to Yamaha was going to be a disaster according to media and MotoGP commentators, yet he managed to win the championship the year he moved there.

He has beaten some of the best when they have had the best bikes also - I reckon he has had the benefit of a lot of talent too.


Thanks Muz, he turned the underperforming Yamaha around in one race, yep 1 race, he won on it first race out and like Muz said won the championship...everyone was saying oh no don't do it it will be a shocking move...look what happened.

Some people just love to hate Rossi. Never surprises me.

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Trickyonne
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Posted - 01 May 2012 :  14:25:06  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
however his ducati move proved how good stoner is, rossi is a legend no doubt....but stoner won on the duke, rossi cant

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Posted - 01 May 2012 :  14:29:57  Show Profile Send LP11 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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however his ducati move proved how good stoner is, rossi is a legend no doubt....but stoner won on the duke, rossi cant



Bike has nowhere near the same competitiveness as the 07 championship winning one. However, what Stoner proved in the next three years with his multiple wins per season shows on a bike that was largely inferior to that of the Yahama and Honda shows just how good a rider Stoner is compared to Rossi.

And the fact that Hayden is doing better than Rossi when he used to wipe the floor with him in the same machinery (or competitively close to it with the Honda vs. the Yamaha) just shows that Rossi no longer has it...

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Bang on the money there bigem. I think the win will achieve more for Stoner in the mental stakes than the points will get him.

Pedrobot and Lorenzo must be thinking if this guys has our measure here what is he going to do when fully fit.

As for Rossi I think we are seeing how he would have really performed in his career without the best bikes & best rubber. Even in 125s and 250s he's always had the best equipment and add to that the competition in the top class wasn't super competitive when he come on to the scene.



Really? From my recollection his move to Yamaha was going to be a disaster according to media and MotoGP commentators, yet he managed to win the championship the year he moved there.

He has beaten some of the best when they have had the best bikes also - I reckon he has had the benefit of a lot of talent too.



Don't get me wrong Rossi is a brilliant rider but he's also had right machinery between his legs to do it.

It wasn't Rossi who turned the Yamaha around (in one race! Please HDT05 get a grip on reality). The bike was well and truly on its way to being sorted out by the Yamha team and the Jap guy Fuga something that retired last year or the year before. Rossi and Mr Burgess have proved the last 2 years that the myth of them being Yamaha's saviours to be blown way out of proportion.

They were both very disrespectful to Stoner and Ducati with their comments of "Stoner needs to ride the bike harder" and We'll fix the Ducati in 80 seconds" when in reality the so called wonder team that transformed the dog Yamaha into a brilliant bike turn the Ducati from a difficult bike to a complete pig.

He use to get overnight special compounds flown in just for him for christ sake.
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Posted - 01 May 2012 :  18:12:26  Show Profile Send OCC a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by velly4

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Originally posted by Muz

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Originally posted by velly4

Bang on the money there bigem. I think the win will achieve more for Stoner in the mental stakes than the points will get him.

Pedrobot and Lorenzo must be thinking if this guys has our measure here what is he going to do when fully fit.

As for Rossi I think we are seeing how he would have really performed in his career without the best bikes & best rubber. Even in 125s and 250s he's always had the best equipment and add to that the competition in the top class wasn't super competitive when he come on to the scene.



Really? From my recollection his move to Yamaha was going to be a disaster according to media and MotoGP commentators, yet he managed to win the championship the year he moved there.

He has beaten some of the best when they have had the best bikes also - I reckon he has had the benefit of a lot of talent too.



Don't get me wrong Rossi is a brilliant rider but he's also had right machinery between his legs to do it.

It wasn't Rossi who turned the Yamaha around (in one race! Please HDT05 get a grip on reality). The bike was well and truly on its way to being sorted out by the Yamha team and the Jap guy Fuga something that retired last year or the year before. Rossi and Mr Burgess have proved the last 2 years that the myth of them being Yamaha's saviours to be blown way out of proportion.

They were both very disrespectful to Stoner and Ducati with their comments of "Stoner needs to ride the bike harder" and We'll fix the Ducati in 80 seconds" when in reality the so called wonder team that transformed the dog Yamaha into a brilliant bike turn the Ducati from a difficult bike to a complete pig.

He use to get overnight special compounds flown in just for him for christ sake.


So what your saying is Rossi is fake. Because you said "Don't get me wrong Rossi is a brilliant rider but he's also had right machinery between his legs to do it." so in other words he's not as good as his record suggests he is? Right.

I think you may need to look at Rossi's record it speaks for itself, you don't get Championships for not trying (or no talent just ask Pedrosa). He has been good because of talent, he did have alot of help in the Yamaha btw.
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Casey's record in the 800 era is superior to every body else in the series, including Rossi's.

Casey did what Rossi wasn't able to do on last years bike too, win!!

Rossi is on chassis type number 3 for 2012 already, and Ducati just cant build that Yamaha that Rossi asked Santa for! ha ha

I reckon Rossi will probably walk away before the end of the season as Yamaha and Honda are not interested in him anymore.

Congratulations to Casey, Jorge Danny and Cal for putting on an excellent display of MotoGP awesomeness on Sunday night!!

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Posted - 01 May 2012 :  19:03:01  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Casey's record in the 800 era is superior to every body else in the series, including Rossi's.

Casey did what Rossi wasn't able to do on last years bike too, win!!

Rossi is on chassis type number 3 for 2012 already, and Ducati just cant build that Yamaha that Rossi asked Santa for! ha ha

I reckon Rossi will probably walk away before the end of the season as Yamaha and Honda are not interested in him anymore.

Congratulations to Casey, Jorge Danny and Cal for putting on an excellent display of MotoGP awesomeness on Sunday night!!



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Posted - 01 May 2012 :  19:48:12  Show Profile Send Crikey a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by bigem

Casey's record in the 800 era is superior to every body else in the series, including Rossi's.

Casey did what Rossi wasn't able to do on last years bike too, win!!

Rossi is on chassis type number 3 for 2012 already, and Ducati just cant build that Yamaha that Rossi asked Santa for! ha ha

I reckon Rossi will probably walk away before the end of the season as Yamaha and Honda are not interested in him anymore.

Congratulations to Casey, Jorge Danny and Cal for putting on an excellent display of MotoGP awesomeness on Sunday night!!

Spot on Bigem.

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Posted - 03 May 2012 :  22:49:32  Show Profile Send Mach24 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Rossi is the greatest of a generation, just so happens he is on the decline right as Ducati have given him a bike he can't gel with.
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Posted - 03 May 2012 :  23:05:37  Show Profile Send LP11 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Rossi is the greatest of a generation, just so happens he is on the decline right as Ducati have given him a bike he can't gel with.



Surely the 'greatest of a generation' can beat his team-mate? I think its purely a lack of motivation...he has been in the sport for awhile, you have to consider what LG said about Simoncelli and add to the fact that he has a mediocre bike underneath him and hey presto...we get the results that we are seeing from him...

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