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CP
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Posted - 09 Dec 2019 :  20:47:22  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by BOWYANG

Thanks CP , can I have that 30sec of my life back .



*Not refundable or transferable.*

Any idea how much it cost to develop (base vehicle, conversion, engine) a SuperUte for racing Bowyang?

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troy01505
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Originally posted by Trickyonne

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Originally posted by BOWYANG

10 actually , entries that is , a lot of damaged vehicles unfortunately, Which will add to the costs of the upgrades, most owners have shown much interest in the V8 swap , will try to Post stuff as things I hope progress .



So you are thinking we will see bigger fields next year ?



No way, I think they are flogging a dead duck.
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Posted - 10 Dec 2019 :  10:25:16  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by troy01505

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Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by BOWYANG

10 actually , entries that is , a lot of damaged vehicles unfortunately, Which will add to the costs of the upgrades, most owners have shown much interest in the V8 swap , will try to Post stuff as things I hope progress .



So you are thinking we will see bigger fields next year ?



No way, I think they are flogging a dead duck.



And yet, the small trucks are the closest thing, by a large margin, to the top selling vehicles in Australia.


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troy01505
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Posted - 10 Dec 2019 :  11:38:34  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by oldtimer

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Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by BOWYANG

10 actually , entries that is , a lot of damaged vehicles unfortunately, Which will add to the costs of the upgrades, most owners have shown much interest in the V8 swap , will try to Post stuff as things I hope progress .



So you are thinking we will see bigger fields next year ?



No way, I think they are flogging a dead duck.



And yet, the small trucks are the closest thing, by a large margin, to the top selling vehicles in Australia.





Doesn’t mean the racing is going to be any good or people are going to move their lunch breaks to other events.
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Posted - 10 Dec 2019 :  15:56:01  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
It's been inserted in thye Supercar section, but is more relevant here.

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Australia’s own brand to sell only SUVs and utes from next year
GM Holden has announced it will axe the Commodore and Astra when existing stocks run out next year, at which point it will sell only SUVs and utes.


https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/holden-commodore-and-astra-axed-122014/

With Ford Ranger the top selling car in Australia and Triton and whatever the Toyota version is, contesting well in the top 10, it should boost the utes chances of support.


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BOWYANG
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Posted - 10 Dec 2019 :  16:36:43  Show Profile Send BOWYANG a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by CP

quote:
Originally posted by BOWYANG

Thanks CP , can I have that 30sec of my life back .



*Not refundable or transferable.*

Any idea how much it cost to develop (base vehicle, conversion, engine) a SuperUte for racing Bowyang?



Didn't hold out much hope of the 30sec CP.
COSTS , Where to start , with the IP past on to Owners I believe cost cutting will be high priority : 60k for kit from SC / Pace plus donor vehicle + manhours ?? , the upgrade to LS , I believe the engine will go to tender one figure I heard rumoured was 23k for a TA2 type engine but do they need 530hp. As most of us know time is money how much can be done in house ??? and xtra stuff needed as things develop.
I Gunna say no change from 25k ( just Guessin ) depending how much HP .
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Posted - 10 Dec 2019 :  20:25:10  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by oldtimer

It's been inserted in thye Supercar section, but is more relevant here.

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Australia’s own brand to sell only SUVs and utes from next year
GM Holden has announced it will axe the Commodore and Astra when existing stocks run out next year, at which point it will sell only SUVs and utes.


https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/holden-commodore-and-astra-axed-122014/

With Ford Ranger the top selling car in Australia and Triton and whatever the Toyota version is, contesting well in the top 10, it should boost the utes chances of support.





Holden have a ute too. Forgot them. And Mazda and Isuzu too and a bunch of other Asian vehicles that might enter now that they can run a cheap generic engine suitable for privateers.

Could we see 888 racing in this class, sponsored by Holden, of course.

I wonder how many Red Bull drinking tradies and ute fans there are out there in spectator land.

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BOWYANG
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Posted - 17 Dec 2019 :  19:15:04  Show Profile Send BOWYANG a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Sorry not Tech enough to post a link , But some interesting ( maybe Old ) Photos of an LS test fitted to a BT50 at Peters Motorsport FB page.
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Posted - 21 Dec 2019 :  18:23:11  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
V8 LS3 engines to be supplied through Holden up to 20. They probably have a few in the shed since ceasing Commodore V* production.

They should be cheap to run if near standard specs.

there is a photo in the story.


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The engine specification for SuperUtes’ impending switch from turbo diesel to V8 power has been decided.

The field is set to run on Chevrolet’s 6.2-litre LS3 engine, with up to 20 units to be sourced through Holden.

Team owners voted on the change from diesels to petrol V8s at October’s Gold Coast 600 meeting after the first two years of the new formula was characterised by low grid sizes and disinterest from fans of the old V8 Utes series.

Peters Motorsport has in fact already begun installing a V8 engine in one of its Mazda BT-50s (pictured) as a test car for prospective drivers, although the powerplant is a 6.0-litre unit rather than an LS3.

“The engine that we’ve put in (the BT-50) is just a six-litre – I think they call them LS1s – but that’s just to get an engine in a car quickly,” team manager Brett Peters told Speedcafe.com.

“But the category’s decided on LS3s and a deal’s been done with Holden for supplying brand-new engines, however many we want; 14, 15, 16, 18, anywhere up to 20 engines we can have.”

The deal has been brokered by Ray Smith-Roberts, who recently resigned as CEO of the parent company of SuperUtes naming rights sponsor ECB and is now lending his assistance to the competitor group in organising the new series.

“He obviously knows everybody in the series, he’s invested in the series as ECB, and he’s a very capable man, so he’s taking the role on and he’s already been very busy with CAMS and Supercars and getting engines for the right price,” explained Peters.

The BT-50 is expected to hit the track with a V8 engine for the first time early in the new year.


https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/12/21/superutes-settles-on-v8-engine-spec/

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In the Summer Grill, Paul Morris talks about the expense of running and repairing the utes.

It does seem to be more like a demolition derby than a race these days and maybe it always was.

It might be OK if sponsored by a car company which delivers a new ute after a major crash, but there are a lot of hours converting the new ute into a race car.

The large bill for parts realistically scares away privateers without significant sponsorship or wealth. They need at least another 7 to 9 cars to cover cars damaged in early races. Eight car grids on TV will not work.

If they lose their place on the Supercar list and TV time, they are sunk. There are too many classes anyway, so something has to go.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/12/29/video-armor-all-summer-grill-the-future-of-superutes/


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Edited by - oldtimer on 29 Dec 2019 10:59:28
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skaifeman
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Posted - 22 Jan 2020 :  16:39:59  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Ross Stone won't be around long enough to see the new rules, pulling out:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/01/22/ross-stone-racing-opts-out-of-superutes/

Was it a nice money maker for the 2-3 years so he can now rebuild those Falcon's?


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Posted - 23 Jan 2020 :  10:58:35  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Superutes cancel this years series.

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Rumours that the SuperUtes are finished and now defuncted, have been hosed down by teams still involved in the category. While there won’t be a series this year, the program to convert the SuperUtes from turbo-diesel power to V8s continues.

By GARRY O’BRIEN

“We were offered five rounds with Supercars, pretty good ones at that. But the time factor was against getting all the vehicles ready for a series this year,” said SRT principle Luke Sieders.

“There is a possibility that we could do a race or two towards the end of the year but next year is definitely going ahead.”

The seven utes that Sieders Team Racing oversee, a mix of Mitsubishi Tritons and Toyota Hiluxes, have or currently are, undergoing the powerplant transition.

Rod Dawson from Peters Motorsport indicated that of the three he had under his care, the two Mazda BT50s were destined to go to the LS3-based engine. The remaining Holden Colorado, which is owned by Supercars, would be returned to them as a turbo diesel.

“We put a basic LS engine in one Mazda which Ryal (Harris) thrashed around Queensland Raceway and it was two seconds faster than when it had the diesel turbo. With the LS3 and the other mods as well as a diff ratio change, they will be substantially faster,” Dawson said.

Charlie Schwerkolt from Team 18 is keen to continue his involvement with his Holden Colorado while Christopher Formosa is in the process of powerplant replacements in a pair of Ford Rangers.

“We have the engine already in the Ranger that Bayley Hall crashed at Bathurst and just to fit the ECU etc,” Formosa said. “We certainly want to continue with the category . . . we own the cars and don’t want to use them as paperweights.”

While Ross Stone has already indicated that he would not be returning to the category, Isuzu D-MAX owner Steve Wilson does want to also make the transition and continue in the category.


https://autoaction.com.au/2020/02/21/superutes-pushed-back-to-2021

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Edited by - oldtimer on 21 Feb 2020 13:29:40
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