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bigcol
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Posted - 13 Feb 2020 :  23:25:25  Show Profile Send bigcol a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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quote:
Originally posted by REM

Did you even read the article? Increased downforce at the front, same at the rear, much better mid-corner....



I read it but interpreted it different to you.

Dave said, "So the balance shift is quite dramatic for us in the middle of the corner, especially at a high speed corner at Phillip Island.”

I didn't take that to mean, "Much better mid-corner". To me that doesn't sound like what you would want - a dramatic shift in balance in the middle of a high-speed corner. But I am ok with them making sure that Mustangs have that 'advantage' too - in fact, let them have an even more dramatic shift in balance in the middle of Turn 8 at Adelaide to keep you guys happy.

Guess we just see what we want to see, huh?

Hope they used Fabian in the VCAT given his commitment to it saw him practicing the coast-down at Bathurst last year.


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REM
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Posted - 15 Feb 2020 :  06:39:43  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

quote:
Originally posted by REM

Did you even read the article? Increased downforce at the front, same at the rear, much better mid-corner....



I read it but interpreted it different to you.

Dave said, "So the balance shift is quite dramatic for us in the middle of the corner, especially at a high speed corner at Phillip Island.”

I didn't take that to mean, "Much better mid-corner". To me that doesn't sound like what you would want - a dramatic shift in balance in the middle of a high-speed corner. But I am ok with them making sure that Mustangs have that 'advantage' too - in fact, let them have an even more dramatic shift in balance in the middle of Turn 8 at Adelaide to keep you guys happy.

Guess we just see what we want to see, huh?

Hope they used Fabian in the VCAT given his commitment to it saw him practicing the coast-down at Bathurst last year.

yeah I guess so, did you see the part about the ZB getting a longer under tray? How does that reduce aero? You may support improvements to the Stang, but it has only had reductions, and pretty significant ones too! it was pretty clear by the end of 2019 that the Stangs couldn’t stay with the ZB’s following the post Bend changes...and now this....

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jamolad
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Posted - 15 Feb 2020 :  09:55:38  Show Profile Send jamolad a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by REM

...did you see the part about the ZB getting a longer under tray? How does that reduce aero?...



On its own it probably doesn't, but when you add the shallower front diffuser the net result is probably still a net reduction in aero for ZB.

Both cars copped shallower diffusers, Mustang got rounded outer brake ducts, and ZB got the longer tray. I'm assuming the longer tray is to offset the advantage Mustang has from its unnecessary droopy face.
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Posted - 15 Feb 2020 :  11:05:43  Show Profile Send STP01 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

quote:
Originally posted by REM

...did you see the part about the ZB getting a longer under tray? How does that reduce aero?...



On its own it probably doesn't, but when you add the shallower front diffuser the net result is probably still a net reduction in aero for ZB.

Both cars copped shallower diffusers, Mustang got rounded outer brake ducts, and ZB got the longer tray. I'm assuming the longer tray is to offset the advantage Mustang has from its unnecessary droopy face.


Mustang already had a longer tray than ZB, so probably just evening them out.

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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 15 Feb 2020 :  11:13:18  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by STP01

quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

quote:
Originally posted by REM

...did you see the part about the ZB getting a longer under tray? How does that reduce aero?...



On its own it probably doesn't, but when you add the shallower front diffuser the net result is probably still a net reduction in aero for ZB.

Both cars copped shallower diffusers, Mustang got rounded outer brake ducts, and ZB got the longer tray. I'm assuming the longer tray is to offset the advantage Mustang has from its unnecessary droopy face.


Mustang already had a longer tray than ZB, so probably just evening them out.




This is where Supercars always get it wrong. If the undertray (for example) on the ZB was lengthened so it becomes the same as the Mustang, why not say so?
They only ever let out half the story on anything.
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Posted - 15 Feb 2020 :  11:30:07  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

quote:
Originally posted by STP01

quote:
Originally posted by jamolad

quote:
Originally posted by REM

...did you see the part about the ZB getting a longer under tray? How does that reduce aero?...



On its own it probably doesn't, but when you add the shallower front diffuser the net result is probably still a net reduction in aero for ZB.

Both cars copped shallower diffusers, Mustang got rounded outer brake ducts, and ZB got the longer tray. I'm assuming the longer tray is to offset the advantage Mustang has from its unnecessary droopy face.


Mustang already had a longer tray than ZB, so probably just evening them out.




This is where Supercars always get it wrong. If the undertray (for example) on the ZB was lengthened so it becomes the same as the Mustang, why not say so?
They only ever let out half the story on anything.

Not wrong.


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Posted - 15 Feb 2020 :  15:05:34  Show Profile Send joe5619 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Can we let the ****en things race before we come up with opinions?

Why to many experts not involved in the process putting 2 cents in, lets wait!! Surely they can't stuff it up as much as last year the the Mustang started the year with a very clear & big advantage.
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Posted - 15 Feb 2020 :  17:34:13  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by joe5619

Can we let the ****en things race before we come up with opinions?

Why to many experts not involved in the process putting 2 cents in, lets wait!! Surely they can't stuff it up as much as last year the the Mustang started the year with a very clear & big advantage.





Supercars have advised the details of the changes, IN FULL, to everyone who NEEDED TO KNOW.

Hopefully they got the changes right.


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