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Marchi1
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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  09:12:24  Show Profile  Visit Marchi1's Homepage Send Marchi1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by oldtimer

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Originally posted by Zac

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What is your opinion of Donald Trump? As a President, is he good, bad, mad, all three, or something else again?



I don't have a particularly high opinion of Donald Trump, but have no doubt that he is better than recent Presidents.

But, I can assure you that I will not be voting for him next time.

Currently, there does not seem a viable alternative, on either side.





He really is not.

For the purported "ineptitude" of Obama, he took the US from near financial meltdown to relative stability, all the while for 6 of those 8 years had to deal with the GOP controlling the senate.

He was effectively fighting with two arms and one leg tied behind his back for 6 of his 8 years.

Meanwhile he managed to create job opportunities, re-establish strong international relationships with countries after that clown Bush and attempted to introduce universal health care which his country desperately needs (thanks to the GOP senators with their hands in the cookie jar is never happened).

I honestly dont know what anybody else thought Obama could do when he entered at such a tumultuous time in US History. He literally stabilised a country on the brink. That to me is one of the greatest achievements from any US President since the 60's and the civil rights movement.
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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  09:24:38  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Marchi1

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by Zac

...

What is your opinion of Donald Trump? As a President, is he good, bad, mad, all three, or something else again?



I don't have a particularly high opinion of Donald Trump, but have no doubt that he is better than recent Presidents.

But, I can assure you that I will not be voting for him next time.

Currently, there does not seem a viable alternative, on either side.





He really is not.

For the purported "ineptitude" of Obama, he took the US from near financial meltdown to relative stability, all the while for 6 of those 8 years had to deal with the GOP controlling the senate.

He was effectively fighting with two arms and one leg tied behind his back for 6 of his 8 years.

Meanwhile he managed to create job opportunities, re-establish strong international relationships with countries after that clown Bush and attempted to introduce universal health care which his country desperately needs (thanks to the GOP senators with their hands in the cookie jar is never happened).

I honestly dont know what anybody else thought Obama could do when he entered at such a tumultuous time in US History. He literally stabilised a country on the brink. That to me is one of the greatest achievements from any US President since the 60's and the civil rights movement.



so why was trump elected ?

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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  09:56:26  Show Profile  Visit Marchi1's Homepage Send Marchi1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by Marchi1

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by Zac

...

What is your opinion of Donald Trump? As a President, is he good, bad, mad, all three, or something else again?



I don't have a particularly high opinion of Donald Trump, but have no doubt that he is better than recent Presidents.

But, I can assure you that I will not be voting for him next time.

Currently, there does not seem a viable alternative, on either side.





He really is not.

For the purported "ineptitude" of Obama, he took the US from near financial meltdown to relative stability, all the while for 6 of those 8 years had to deal with the GOP controlling the senate.

He was effectively fighting with two arms and one leg tied behind his back for 6 of his 8 years.

Meanwhile he managed to create job opportunities, re-establish strong international relationships with countries after that clown Bush and attempted to introduce universal health care which his country desperately needs (thanks to the GOP senators with their hands in the cookie jar is never happened).

I honestly dont know what anybody else thought Obama could do when he entered at such a tumultuous time in US History. He literally stabilised a country on the brink. That to me is one of the greatest achievements from any US President since the 60's and the civil rights movement.



so why was trump elected ?



Because Obama couldn't run for a third term and Hillary is a witch?

Not rocket science...

There's also those collusion issues which haven't been put to bed despite old dons ramblings.

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Trickyonne
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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  09:59:58  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Marchi1

quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by Marchi1

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by Zac

...

What is your opinion of Donald Trump? As a President, is he good, bad, mad, all three, or something else again?



I don't have a particularly high opinion of Donald Trump, but have no doubt that he is better than recent Presidents.

But, I can assure you that I will not be voting for him next time.

Currently, there does not seem a viable alternative, on either side.





He really is not.

For the purported "ineptitude" of Obama, he took the US from near financial meltdown to relative stability, all the while for 6 of those 8 years had to deal with the GOP controlling the senate.

He was effectively fighting with two arms and one leg tied behind his back for 6 of his 8 years.

Meanwhile he managed to create job opportunities, re-establish strong international relationships with countries after that clown Bush and attempted to introduce universal health care which his country desperately needs (thanks to the GOP senators with their hands in the cookie jar is never happened).

I honestly dont know what anybody else thought Obama could do when he entered at such a tumultuous time in US History. He literally stabilised a country on the brink. That to me is one of the greatest achievements from any US President since the 60's and the civil rights movement.



so why was trump elected ?



Because Obama couldn't run for a third term and Hillary is a witch?

Not rocket science...

There's also those collusion issues which haven't been put to bed despite old dons ramblings.





wow Hillary must have been bad !

a self confessed great man once said
" governments are voted out not it "

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Trump got elected because he spoke to the people in basic language. Promised a whole lot of stuff the people want. How often do we complain about how governments are run, the NIMBY's, red tape, political correctness.

Everyone loves the lowest common denominator, it's easy to understand and follow. Only have to look at the trashy reality TV that climbs the ratings.

Hilary was a known quantity, stability, same old same old. And the US is deeply misogynistic.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  18:09:35  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Even Barack Obama said that Hillary Clinton should not be elected President, or even a candidate.
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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  19:35:24  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Pretty sure if we check some tapes he said that about Trump too.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  19:39:24  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Pretty sure if we check some tapes he said that about Trump too.



Obviously he would say that about trump.....but somebody from his own team ?


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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  20:19:20  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

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Originally posted by AlbertM

Pretty sure if we check some tapes he said that about Trump too.



Obviously he would say that about trump.....but somebody from his own team ?



See, the thing is, Obama said nothing of the sort. Obama endorsed Hillary for President.

Goes to show there is one born every minute.

BTW Trump has turned on his own countless times when he doesn't get his way.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  21:30:11  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Pretty sure if we check some tapes he said that about Trump too.



Obviously he would say that about trump.....but somebody from his own team ?



See, the thing is, Obama said nothing of the sort. Obama endorsed Hillary for President.

Goes to show there is one born every minute.

BTW Trump has turned on his own countless times when he doesn't get his way.



He did say that, and on many occasions during the primaries about 11 years ago. Maybe you are too young to remember that far back.

A lot of USA voters may have remembered last election.
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Posted - 23 Aug 2019 :  23:11:01  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by Trickyonne

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Pretty sure if we check some tapes he said that about Trump too.



Obviously he would say that about trump.....but somebody from his own team ?



See, the thing is, Obama said nothing of the sort. Obama endorsed Hillary for President.

Goes to show there is one born every minute.

BTW Trump has turned on his own countless times when he doesn't get his way.



He did say that, and on many occasions during the primaries about 11 years ago. Maybe you are too young to remember that far back.

A lot of USA voters may have remembered last election.



You mean when he was running against her in 2008. Do US voters have that long a memory?

Ted Cruze, Moscow Mitch and Lindsay Graham said bad stuff about Trump in the 2016 Primaries. Now they kiss his ass. Maybe you're to old and your memory is failing to remember.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/23/trump-hereby-order-response-president-mocked-decree

"Order, eh? Who does he think he is?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2c-X8HiBng
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Ted Cruze, Moscow Mitch and Lindsay Graham said bad stuff about Trump in the 2016 Primaries. Now they kiss his ass. Maybe you're to old and your memory is failing to remember.



All three are professional politicians and have a lot of political baggage. They aren't trusted by most USA voters.

If, in their opinion, Trump was bad, then maybe Trump was a better alternative.

People are just sick of politicians who say whatever is needed at the moment and say something different when later needed.

Just like Obama said Clinton was not good when competing against her and later said she was good when no longer competing.

If a politician upsets just one percent of constituents a year, then it adds up over a political career.

Trump was different.

He should not have won with about 30% of the eligible vote, but he did, because people didn't object to him enough to get off their backsides and vote for a politically discredited opponent.

He also was very smart in targeting a lot of small disgruntled states and his result was significantly better than Hillary, who actually had more votes, but not votes where needed.

This time, the Democrats have a dozen potential candidates all running around telling the USA voters that the other eleven are duds. Whoever is chosen has a lot of negative baggage right there.

Good or Bad, Effective or Ineffective, Trump is still the USA President and there are a lot worse in some other countries.

Trump IS President and that trumps Hillary's effort.
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Posted - 24 Aug 2019 :  08:25:43  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well said OT mate.....itís interesting to me all the hysteria I see in Australia over Donald J........imagine if he was our PM....I donít think that will happen here again

Last leader we have who was a sexist....use to say outlandish things like ď any boss who sacks anyone for not turning up today is a bum
No child will be living i in poverty ect ec and he is our national treasure ..... trump is American version Hawke IMO.....without the alcoholism

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Trump is still the USA President and there are a lot worse in some other countries.

Anybody or anything defended by the defence that "there are a lot worse" is by that argument shown to be amongst the worst.
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