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FirstOnRaceDay
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Posted - 15 Dec 2019 :  23:58:58  Show Profile Send FirstOnRaceDay a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Preditor

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Originally posted by FirstOnRaceDay

So by building a better race car, Penske ruined the series.

No one ever said 888 ruined the series when they won year after year after year. Yep I see your point. What a bunch of sore losing ****ers a team finally takes it up to the 888 and itís Penske fault the series is dead.

Maybe if more of you folk bought an Opel theyíd still be racing post 2022.

Go figure



I will pm you the reason why Penske has ruined the series. some poeple get really hurt with the truth if i post it in the forum.



And Iíve PMíd you back. Jealousy is a curse mate, I donít believe in bloggers only facts. Itís all hearsay , now if what you say is true then I guess RD and 888 are saints and have never done anything wrong or illegal. Go back and read this forum and you can count how many times their drivers were told to back up the field and so on.

Look tbh I really canít be stuffed. You believe what you believe and Iíll believe what I believe. Please donít feel the need to PM on what you want me to believe.

Penske is a great organisation known and trusted globally. Their history wipes the floor with what any other team in Supercars could ever achieve.
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Fast by Ferracci
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Posted - 17 Dec 2019 :  11:40:53  Show Profile Send Fast by Ferracci a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by troy01505

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Originally posted by Fast by Ferracci

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Originally posted by FirstOnRaceDay

Not entirely sure which thread to post this is as there are a couple out there with regards to Life after Holden and this one?

Anyway.... Iíve just read an article where the Chev Corbette is coming to Australia in RHD in 2022. Wouldnít it seem logical that this car will replace the Opel in 2022. Then we get back to a genuine Ford V GM battle again?

Iíve read conflicting posts from some folk on here who claim the corvette is being killed and wonít be coming?.

Anyone know whatís really happening?..



Explain to me please what place a rear engined Corvette has in a championship which awards the winner the ďAustralian Touring Car ChampionshipĒ?



Itís a Supercar and the series is called Supercars I guess.

What car in the Supercars era has ever had seats for passengers and a luggage compartment? Maybe in 2022 and beyond Cams will loosen up the term even further.

Yeah preditor letís here this reason.



Except the term ďSupercarĒ is just a marketing name for what is a touring car series, Supercars have never had any place in the Supercars Championship.

No different to calling Cup Cars ďstock carsĒ
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Dasha
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Posted - 27 Dec 2019 :  16:34:23  Show Profile  Visit Dasha's Homepage  Click to see Dasha's MSN Messenger address  Send Dasha a Yahoo! Message Send Dasha a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I thought i had already responded to this thread but hey the last two weeks have been a little crazy.

So i have to say as a one eyed Ford Man how disappointed i am at the announcement that there will be no Holden (GM) product after 2021.

I was introduced to watching Bathurst since about 1978 when GM seemed to have a monopoly on the sport only because of Fords Hot & Cold approach to the series.
But will never forget 1980 then 1981 & us Ford supporters had some hope ( what a true legend in Dick Johnson )

I will admit there has been more painful memories than good ones watching Bathurst but hey thats sport

BUT the reality is (in my opinion) is that Ford need GM & vice versa,
I am aware that in time things change but I just want to express my sadness at the thought of a Supercars series without that tribal Ford V Holden rivalry.

I dont want to have a Mustang cup, i just dont know where it will all end.
But I will continue to have hope that GM in America can find a budget to run a GM product here after 2021 so the mighty Mustang can kick its But ha ha.

For great racing just add water.
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m4rf
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Will the Astra still be available then? It's a touring car in the UK.

To dare is to do.
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hsv8fan
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Posted - 29 Dec 2019 :  16:24:39  Show Profile Send hsv8fan a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Will the Astra still be available then? It's a touring car in the UK.


Both the Commodore and Astra have been culled!

If you always do what you've always done, you will always get what you always got.
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murph_fan51
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https://www.motorsport.com/wtcr/news/combustion-engine-racing-brutal-violent-ribeiro/4617250/amp/

Different series I know, but is Gen 3 going the hybrid or fully electric route? It seems manufactures are walking from internal combustion engines.

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Rampaging Monkey
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Posted - 29 Dec 2019 :  20:33:41  Show Profile  Visit Rampaging Monkey's Homepage Send Rampaging Monkey a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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https://www.motorsport.com/wtcr/news/combustion-engine-racing-brutal-violent-ribeiro/4617250/amp/

Different series I know, but is Gen 3 going the hybrid or fully electric route? It seems manufactures are walking from internal combustion engines.


Replacing Mustang GT with a Mustang Ecoboost Hybrid and then trying to add at least a second make (e.g., BMW 830i hybrid? Nearly the same shape as a Mustang) seems like the way to go.

(Obviously with a new roll cage design that fits Mustang and 8 series properly.)
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oldtimer
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Posted - 08 Jan 2020 :  16:24:22  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Gen 3 is going to be very expensive. It won't be just re skinning an existing chassis like VF to ZB.



As Supercars and the Teams have not yet decided on the Outcome of the Gen 3 discussions, you possibly have some insight that they have not shared with us, or indeed, even with each other.

The Gen 3 upgrade chassis upgrade could be as simple as allowing a lowered rollcage hoop and mandating a few standard bits, such as front suspension. When they know, they will probably announce it.

Such a change would not entail a great expense.

Whatever the changes, the majority of the Teams will not accept any great expense, or they will find somewhere else to play.

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
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AlbertM
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Posted - 08 Jan 2020 :  20:05:43  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by oldtimer

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Originally posted by AlbertM

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Gen 3 is going to be very expensive. It won't be just re skinning an existing chassis like VF to ZB.



As Supercars and the Teams have not yet decided on the Outcome of the Gen 3 discussions, you possibly have some insight that they have not shared with us, or indeed, even with each other.

The Gen 3 upgrade chassis upgrade could be as simple as allowing a lowered rollcage hoop and mandating a few standard bits, such as front suspension. When they know, they will probably announce it.

Such a change would not entail a great expense.

Whatever the changes, the majority of the Teams will not accept any great expense, or they will find somewhere else to play.

Well sorry, so many here told me 888 spent a fortune re skinning Gen 2. A new body and new chassis and aero testing isn't going to be cheaper.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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oldtimer
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Posted - 08 Jan 2020 :  21:59:20  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by AlbertM

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Originally posted by oldtimer

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Originally posted by AlbertM

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Gen 3 is going to be very expensive. It won't be just re skinning an existing chassis like VF to ZB.



As Supercars and the Teams have not yet decided on the Outcome of the Gen 3 discussions, you possibly have some insight that they have not shared with us, or indeed, even with each other.

The Gen 3 upgrade chassis upgrade could be as simple as allowing a lowered rollcage hoop and mandating a few standard bits, such as front suspension. When they know, they will probably announce it.

Such a change would not entail a great expense.

Whatever the changes, the majority of the Teams will not accept any great expense, or they will find somewhere else to play.

Well sorry, so many here told me 888 spent a fortune re skinning Gen 2. A new body and new chassis and aero testing isn't going to be cheaper.



If so, agreed, but, as yet, we don't know if there will be a new chassis or just a few modifications to the current one.


Later:
https://www.supercars.com/news/super2/super2-silly-season-still-in-full-swing/

This is relevant to the Gen 3 changes.

Super 2 is definitely struggling with teams having a lot of current cars still sitting unused in the shed. There are considerable cost pressures and an update to later equipment in 2022 could drive some teams out of business, if indeed, they are still running after 2021. Some Teams are not even continuing for 2020.

Supercars must realise that current Super 1 Teams will have trouble disposing of their current cars, and will want to maximise the ability for customer type teams to continue in their current spec cars or possibly maximise the structural carry over parts.

There are a lot of cost effective alternatives to Gen 3 Supercar racing.

Another consideration might be that most of the well known top level drivers are on the verge of retirement.

The fans follow the newsworthy drivers, as was proved in 1973, for those that remember. Increasingly, the ARG drivers will be the newsworthy ones.

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
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Edited by - oldtimer on 09 Jan 2020 19:53:14
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