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Preditor
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Posted - 21 Dec 2019 :  11:23:07  Show Profile Send Preditor a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Laying a wreath on it's grave.



And that's only if anybody remembers who Holden was!



True blue Aussies will remember Holden, its only imports like you that don't understand the true meaning of Holden in Australia.

I heard there will be a name change to the series next year, the new name is Penske mustang cup series with their major sponsor to be Laxative guarantee to clear any backing up at Bathurst 2020.
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AlbertM
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Holden has no more meaning to Australia then Ford. Both US companies that built cars hear.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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troy01505
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Posted - 22 Dec 2019 :  11:18:50  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Holden has no more meaning to Australia then Ford. Both US companies that built cars hear.



Nowadays thatís the case however for a long long time our entire nation held the long time number 1 Holden much higher then Ford. Ford were sort of like Chrysler, Chrysler had the charger here and people worshipped it I guess, but only the charger, most other models people couldnít give 2 ****s about, Ford had the GTs and most other models people couldnít give 2 ****s about. Holden on the other hand were anywhere and everywhere and all models especially late 50s,all the 60s and 70s and early 80s!
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skaifeman
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Posted - 22 Dec 2019 :  12:49:34  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by AlbertM

Holden has no more meaning to Australia then Ford. Both US companies that built cars hear.


In reality yes, but there's a reason that Holden takes lead on most of the satirical jokes online and in books etc - it is seen as the quintessential Australian car.

Even on this site some like to focus the Holden brand as the 'bogans' choice. A bogan - larrikin or ocker - is generally an Australian term, but it's the peoples mans car (and the sales in the heyday proved this).
It's another topic - and a weak one - when discussing V8 Supercars or even Motorsport within Australia.
Even if you live in Vaucluse, you may as well be a rubbered up bloke wearing a straw hat in the front row at Summernats.

...my point being it's all about image. I've said this before. The Australian image lies with Holden.

It's also what looks like will kill Holden.
As soon as they public realised that they weren't as anymore Australian than Ford, they dropped them.
It worked so well for Holden for so long, Ford on the otherhand played their cards so much better, distancing themselves from the Falcon was cruel - however marketing wise very smart.


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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Posted - 22 Dec 2019 :  14:11:41  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Holden has no more meaning to Australia then Ford. Both US companies that built cars hear.



Nowadays thatís the case however for a long long time our entire nation held the long time number 1 Holden much higher then Ford. Ford were sort of like Chrysler, Chrysler had the charger here and people worshipped it I guess, but only the charger, most other models people couldnít give 2 ****s about, Ford had the GTs and most other models people couldnít give 2 ****s about. Holden on the other hand were anywhere and everywhere and all models especially late 50s,all the 60s and 70s and early 80s!

All just a memory.

Case in point, how quickly Holden supporters have adopted other GM brands that have no history or relevance to Australia.

quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Holden has no more meaning to Australia then Ford. Both US companies that built cars hear.


In reality yes, but there's a reason that Holden takes lead on most of the satirical jokes online and in books etc - it is seen as the quintessential Australian car.

Even on this site some like to focus the Holden brand as the 'bogans' choice. A bogan - larrikin or ocker - is generally an Australian term, but it's the peoples mans car (and the sales in the heyday proved this).
It's another topic - and a weak one - when discussing V8 Supercars or even Motorsport within Australia.
Even if you live in Vaucluse, you may as well be a rubbered up bloke wearing a straw hat in the front row at Summernats.

...my point being it's all about image. I've said this before. The Australian image lies with Holden.

It's also what looks like will kill Holden.
As soon as they public realised that they weren't as anymore Australian than Ford, they dropped them.
It worked so well for Holden for so long, Ford on the otherhand played their cards so much better, distancing themselves from the Falcon was cruel - however marketing wise very smart.

Yes. True blue Aussies will understand the true meaning of Holden...That they hoodwinked generations and now paying the price.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford

Edited by - AlbertM on 22 Dec 2019 14:24:09
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CP
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Posted - 22 Dec 2019 :  16:19:36  Show Profile  Visit CP's Homepage Send CP a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Holden has no more meaning to Australia then Ford. Both US companies that built cars hear.


In reality yes, but there's a reason that Holden takes lead on most of the satirical jokes online and in books etc - it is seen as the quintessential Australian car.

Even on this site some like to focus the Holden brand as the 'bogans' choice. A bogan - larrikin or ocker - is generally an Australian term, but it's the peoples mans car (and the sales in the heyday proved this).
It's another topic - and a weak one - when discussing V8 Supercars or even Motorsport within Australia.
Even if you live in Vaucluse, you may as well be a rubbered up bloke wearing a straw hat in the front row at Summernats.

...my point being it's all about image. I've said this before. The Australian image lies with Holden.

It's also what looks like will kill Holden.
As soon as they public realised that they weren't as anymore Australian than Ford, they dropped them.
It worked so well for Holden for so long, Ford on the otherhand played their cards so much better, distancing themselves from the Falcon was cruel - however marketing wise very smart.





Holden pretty much screwed themselves on that part by not marketing their change from producer to importer very well. Or at all.

Maybe their marketing person thought "People buy Holden's all the time. They'll still buy them down the line".
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Kieron302
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Posted - 23 Dec 2019 :  19:17:57  Show Profile Send Kieron302 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman
It's also what looks like will kill Holden.
As soon as they public realised that they weren't as anymore Australian than Ford, they dropped them.
It worked so well for Holden for so long, Ford on the otherhand played their cards so much better, distancing themselves from the Falcon was cruel - however marketing wise very smart.



Spot on, I said it years ago on various forums. Ford copped a hammering for not marketing the Falcon but they were transitioning from the Falcon car company (FaCoCom) to FoMoCo and Holden decided on a different strategy by continuing the Commodore, I said it back then they were on the road to oblivion .

Surely, not much longer before GM puts the brand out of it's misery and I genuinely say that is a shame.
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skaifeman
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Posted - 24 Dec 2019 :  00:13:56  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Holden has no more meaning to Australia then Ford. Both US companies that built cars hear.


In reality yes, but there's a reason that Holden takes lead on most of the satirical jokes online and in books etc - it is seen as the quintessential Australian car.

Even on this site some like to focus the Holden brand as the 'bogans' choice. A bogan - larrikin or ocker - is generally an Australian term, but it's the peoples mans car (and the sales in the heyday proved this).
It's another topic - and a weak one - when discussing V8 Supercars or even Motorsport within Australia.
Even if you live in Vaucluse, you may as well be a rubbered up bloke wearing a straw hat in the front row at Summernats.

...my point being it's all about image. I've said this before. The Australian image lies with Holden.

It's also what looks like will kill Holden.
As soon as they public realised that they weren't as anymore Australian than Ford, they dropped them.
It worked so well for Holden for so long, Ford on the otherhand played their cards so much better, distancing themselves from the Falcon was cruel - however marketing wise very smart.

Yes. True blue Aussies will understand the true meaning of Holden...That they hoodwinked generations and now paying the price.


Jeez give you blokes an inch and you take a mile.
Did someone use a Holden as a getaway car after robbing your joint or something? The genuine constant kicks are relentless, especially to some members who are pretty level.
It's tough to have a proper conversation when some like Preditor and First on Race Day blindely talk, but it seems your comments even have one eye closed sometimes.

Ford tried just as hard with the Australian angle as Holden - just didn't work as well.
This isn't me having a dig either way, we should be seriously happy of the Australian motoring landscape for what it was, no matter what side you're on.

CP - Exactly what I'm saying.
Kieron - Bang on, a bloody shame both makes had to go the way they did. Not sure why some feel the need to lay into the other all the time.
I'd take a Falcon over a Mustang anyday, and a Mustang over a lot of other cars too... Commodore... well... no replacement just yet, but the legacy lives - just as it does Falcon.


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977

Edited by - skaifeman on 24 Dec 2019 11:30:03
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murph_fan51
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quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Holden has no more meaning to Australia then Ford. Both US companies that built cars hear.


It's also what looks like will kill Holden.
As soon as they public realised that they weren't as anymore Australian than Ford, they dropped them.
It worked so well for Holden for so long, Ford on the otherhand played their cards so much better, distancing themselves from the Falcon was cruel - however marketing wise very smart.



I see your point, Ford arenít much better though, I think they are lucky the Ranger sells like hot cakes (not sure why it is the second best selling Ute?), and they are lucky to have the Mustang built in RHD.
Apart from that, what are they really selling today?

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Kieron302
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Posted - 24 Dec 2019 :  14:58:24  Show Profile Send Kieron302 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by murph_fan51
I see your point, Ford arenít much better though, I think they are lucky the Ranger sells like hot cakes (not sure why it is the second best selling Ute?), and they are lucky to have the Mustang built in RHD.
Apart from that, what are they really selling today?



It's not a case of luck, it's a case of how it was planned by Ford,
this is the difference between the two.

Ford Au read the market and got the timing/product spot on with the Ranger and Ford USA's 'One Ford' strategy gave us the Mustang.

Ford Au certainly didn't get it all right though. They initially tried marketing the small car range and tried to appeal to females with their advertising.
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AlbertM
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Posted - 24 Dec 2019 :  22:01:40  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Holden has no more meaning to Australia then Ford. Both US companies that built cars hear.


In reality yes, but there's a reason that Holden takes lead on most of the satirical jokes online and in books etc - it is seen as the quintessential Australian car.

Even on this site some like to focus the Holden brand as the 'bogans' choice. A bogan - larrikin or ocker - is generally an Australian term, but it's the peoples mans car (and the sales in the heyday proved this).
It's another topic - and a weak one - when discussing V8 Supercars or even Motorsport within Australia.
Even if you live in Vaucluse, you may as well be a rubbered up bloke wearing a straw hat in the front row at Summernats.

...my point being it's all about image. I've said this before. The Australian image lies with Holden.

It's also what looks like will kill Holden.
As soon as they public realised that they weren't as anymore Australian than Ford, they dropped them.
It worked so well for Holden for so long, Ford on the otherhand played their cards so much better, distancing themselves from the Falcon was cruel - however marketing wise very smart.

Yes. True blue Aussies will understand the true meaning of Holden...That they hoodwinked generations and now paying the price.


Jeez give you blokes an inch and you take a mile.
Did someone use a Holden as a getaway car after robbing your joint or something? The genuine constant kicks are relentless, especially to some members who are pretty level.
It's tough to have a proper conversation when some like Preditor and First on Race Day blindely talk, but it seems your comments even have one eye closed sometimes.

Ford tried just as hard with the Australian angle as Holden - just didn't work as well.
This isn't me having a dig either way, we should be seriously happy of the Australian motoring landscape for what it was, no matter what side you're on.

CP - Exactly what I'm saying.
Kieron - Bang on, a bloody shame both makes had to go the way they did. Not sure why some feel the need to lay into the other all the time.
I'd take a Falcon over a Mustang anyday, and a Mustang over a lot of other cars too... Commodore... well... no replacement just yet, but the legacy lives - just as it does Falcon.



I just took what you said and removed the sugar coating. The way I worded it was to highlight it for a particular one eyed Holden fan.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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