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AlbertM
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Posted - 23 Feb 2020 :  19:23:32  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by JD

He doesn't look happy

https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/02/23/dane-confirms-general-motors-meeting-has-taken-place/



Nothing good came of it otherwise they would be signing like a canary.

Have to keep a lid on it, the fans won't commit to buying merchandise if the team doesn't exist next year.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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murph_fan51
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The best it will be would be “you can use the ZB next year if you want”.

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bigem
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quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

WAU has confirmed the won't race Commodore in 2021! Going to be an interesting year..



I saw the interview with Ryan W and he said they had already talked to several manufacturers and got 2 definite No's but was still in talks with others but couldn't go further until Supercars announce the gen 3 regs! He said that it needs to happen soon because WAUs partners will not race a brand next year that no longer exists.

New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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Coyote302
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quote:
Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

WAU has confirmed the won't race Commodore in 2021! Going to be an interesting year..



I saw the interview with Ryan W and he said they had already talked to several manufacturers and got 2 definite No's but was still in talks with others but couldn't go further until Supercars announce the gen 3 regs! He said that it needs to happen soon because WAUs partners will not race a brand next year that no longer exists.



Maybe a switch to Mustang?

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If you can't beat them, sook until you get the rules changed.








_Mford
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bigem
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quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

quote:
Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

WAU has confirmed the won't race Commodore in 2021! Going to be an interesting year..



I saw the interview with Ryan W and he said they had already talked to several manufacturers and got 2 definite No's but was still in talks with others but couldn't go further until Supercars announce the gen 3 regs! He said that it needs to happen soon because WAUs partners will not race a brand next year that no longer exists.



Maybe a switch to Mustang?



We don't need anymore Mustangs, we need a couple of brands to replace the dead Holden runners!
If Supercars had not ****ed over Volvo, AMG and Nissan in favor of the dead manufacturer, they wouldn't have the problem they have now! Karma can be a bitch, hey?

New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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skaifeman
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quote:
Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

quote:
Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

WAU has confirmed the won't race Commodore in 2021! Going to be an interesting year..



I saw the interview with Ryan W and he said they had already talked to several manufacturers and got 2 definite No's but was still in talks with others but couldn't go further until Supercars announce the gen 3 regs! He said that it needs to happen soon because WAUs partners will not race a brand next year that no longer exists.



Maybe a switch to Mustang?



We don't need anymore Mustangs, we need a couple of brands to replace the dead Holden runners!
If Supercars had not ****ed over Volvo, AMG and Nissan in favor of the dead manufacturer, they wouldn't have the problem they have now! Karma can be a bitch, hey?


Few facts here:
Supercars never did anything to AMG. It was a customer program of which AMG pocketed a nice fistful of Betty's money, and reluctantly.
Erebus actually performed better once they took their engine program away from ze Germans.
They were allowed to use the flat plane crank and fly by wire - at their request, never before seen in Supercars. Before moving back to what we had been using here for years.

Volvo were massively successful and Australian dealers wanted IN!
If the Swedes weren't so forward thinking (ala electric cars/emissions) they would probably still be around, with Scotty behind the wheel!
He said himself he was staying at GRM until the Volvo deal fell over.

Nissan... well I can agree with you there.

You paint a far worse picture than what has actually happened.


"Ford’s Bathurst winning bonus didn’t even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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troy01505
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Posted - 24 Feb 2020 :  20:12:31  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by Coyote302

quote:
Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

WAU has confirmed the won't race Commodore in 2021! Going to be an interesting year..



I saw the interview with Ryan W and he said they had already talked to several manufacturers and got 2 definite No's but was still in talks with others but couldn't go further until Supercars announce the gen 3 regs! He said that it needs to happen soon because WAUs partners will not race a brand next year that no longer exists.



Maybe a switch to Mustang?



We don't need anymore Mustangs, we need a couple of brands to replace the dead Holden runners!
If Supercars had not ****ed over Volvo, AMG and Nissan in favor of the dead manufacturer, they wouldn't have the problem they have now! Karma can be a bitch, hey?



What will you cry about when Holden are gone if the series continues?
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DJRford
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I wouldn't be mad if WAU went to Mustangs. Would be good to have Chaz back in a Ford. But at the same time I'd rather see them race something else. It'll be good if we can get a few manufacturers enter in the next few years.



























































































_Mford














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Mechz
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https://autoaction.com.au/2020/03/23/holden-support-still-to-be-decided

If I were GM and wanting to bail on T8, surely it would be cheaper to just cancel the contract at the end of this year and not pay them for '21. Court costs would be less than what they agreed to pay T8. Not saying it's the right thing to do but when have GM ever shown they're capable of that...

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abhibeckert
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Posted - 24 Mar 2020 :  13:59:45  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by DJRford

I wouldn't be mad if WAU went to Mustangs.


I reckon it would look really bad for GM's official import partner to race someone else's car. WAU should stick with the ZB for now until they can bring the Camaro into the sport preferably as the factory team.

Triple 8 and some of the other big teams should be looking at other manufacturers, but not WAU.

Edited by - abhibeckert on 24 Mar 2020 14:00:25
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AlbertM
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Posted - 24 Mar 2020 :  15:57:19  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by DJRford

I wouldn't be mad if WAU went to Mustangs.


I reckon it would look really bad for GM's official import partner to race someone else's car. WAU should stick with the ZB for now until they can bring the Camaro into the sport preferably as the factory team.

Triple 8 and some of the other big teams should be looking at other manufacturers, but not WAU.



WAU is a race team. Walkinshaw Performance is the importer.


Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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abhibeckert
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Posted - 24 Mar 2020 :  17:36:48  Show Profile  Visit abhibeckert's Homepage Send abhibeckert a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by DJRford

I wouldn't be mad if WAU went to Mustangs.


I reckon it would look really bad for GM's official import partner to race someone else's car. WAU should stick with the ZB for now until they can bring the Camaro into the sport preferably as the factory team.

Triple 8 and some of the other big teams should be looking at other manufacturers, but not WAU.



WAU is a race team. Walkinshaw Performance is the importer.

WAU is actually three teams:

  • Walkinshaw Racing in Australia

  • Andretti Autosport in America

  • United Autosports in Europe

They work together, but they are separate teams and operations according to their own website. The Australian one obviously has very close ties to Walkinshaw Performance and should be racing one of their cars. They've been talking about doing that for years and the time has come to stop talking and start doing.

Edited by - abhibeckert on 24 Mar 2020 17:39:17
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