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Muz
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Posted - 16 May 2017 :  15:39:57  Show Profile  Visit Muz's Homepage Send Muz a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by bundy1

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Originally posted by Muz

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Originally posted by skaifeman

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Originally posted by Muz

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Originally posted by joe5619

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Too much of a coincidence that DJRTP suddenly put it all together. Ludo is the real deal!

And this is the one comment I'm going to hate reading all year.. One man can't make such big differences in such a small time frame!! Give the other 40 (??) odd people that have spent the last 2 years getting DJRTP to where it is today some credit FFS!!



Do we need to go through this again?

Yes, the whole team has worked hard for years. But Ludo seems to be that special ingredient (as already mentioned) that has tied it all together and harnessed it. Brought a new way of thinking.

Sometimes the right stuff is there, but not being used correctly. One person CAN change that.


Agreed. Example: Walkinshaw have been looking for it for 15 years now... Still no silver bullet.
As stated above, this game is literally played at tenths of a second, one minor thing can jump you from midfield to pole.

We're not saying it's 100% Ludo, but he may have provided the 1% that has just unlocked a winning formula.





For anyone doubting whether or not Ludo can be such a significant difference, please see here: http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/05/16/courtney-back-basics-approach-burgess-sacking/

Let me highlight a particular JC quote too.
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When asked what the squad requires to turn its season around, he added, “I think the magic bullet is a Frenchman known by a four letter word (referring to DJR Team Penske’s Ludo Lacroix).
“He is the silver bullet but unfortunately he is not loaded in our chamber, so we are still working (on what we have).”


I think the whole field, and majority of fans know just how good he is.



To compare the potential of the HRT/WP chassis with the 888 chassis is ridiculous.



Ahhh, that's not what we are talking about here.

We are discussing the perceived value of Ludo to a team. Despite referencing a JC quote, this is actually about DJRTP.

Please stay on topic for a change.

The great 2019 poll about whether Tricky should be banned or not ended in favour of Tricky staying, 75% to 25%
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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 16 May 2017 :  15:53:15  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by bundy1

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Originally posted by Muz

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Originally posted by skaifeman

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Originally posted by Muz

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Originally posted by joe5619

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Originally posted by Whatthe

Too much of a coincidence that DJRTP suddenly put it all together. Ludo is the real deal!

And this is the one comment I'm going to hate reading all year.. One man can't make such big differences in such a small time frame!! Give the other 40 (??) odd people that have spent the last 2 years getting DJRTP to where it is today some credit FFS!!



Do we need to go through this again?

Yes, the whole team has worked hard for years. But Ludo seems to be that special ingredient (as already mentioned) that has tied it all together and harnessed it. Brought a new way of thinking.

Sometimes the right stuff is there, but not being used correctly. One person CAN change that.


Agreed. Example: Walkinshaw have been looking for it for 15 years now... Still no silver bullet.
As stated above, this game is literally played at tenths of a second, one minor thing can jump you from midfield to pole.

We're not saying it's 100% Ludo, but he may have provided the 1% that has just unlocked a winning formula.





For anyone doubting whether or not Ludo can be such a significant difference, please see here: http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/05/16/courtney-back-basics-approach-burgess-sacking/

Let me highlight a particular JC quote too.
quote:
When asked what the squad requires to turn its season around, he added, “I think the magic bullet is a Frenchman known by a four letter word (referring to DJR Team Penske’s Ludo Lacroix).
“He is the silver bullet but unfortunately he is not loaded in our chamber, so we are still working (on what we have).”


I think the whole field, and majority of fans know just how good he is.



To compare the potential of the HRT/WP chassis with the 888 chassis is ridiculous.



Hints and suggestions seem to be wasted...


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djr18fan
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Posted - 16 May 2017 :  18:14:09  Show Profile Send djr18fan a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bundy1

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Originally posted by Muz

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Originally posted by skaifeman

quote:
Originally posted by Muz

quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

quote:
Originally posted by Whatthe

Too much of a coincidence that DJRTP suddenly put it all together. Ludo is the real deal!

And this is the one comment I'm going to hate reading all year.. One man can't make such big differences in such a small time frame!! Give the other 40 (??) odd people that have spent the last 2 years getting DJRTP to where it is today some credit FFS!!



Do we need to go through this again?

Yes, the whole team has worked hard for years. But Ludo seems to be that special ingredient (as already mentioned) that has tied it all together and harnessed it. Brought a new way of thinking.

Sometimes the right stuff is there, but not being used correctly. One person CAN change that.


Agreed. Example: Walkinshaw have been looking for it for 15 years now... Still no silver bullet.
As stated above, this game is literally played at tenths of a second, one minor thing can jump you from midfield to pole.

We're not saying it's 100% Ludo, but he may have provided the 1% that has just unlocked a winning formula.





For anyone doubting whether or not Ludo can be such a significant difference, please see here: http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/05/16/courtney-back-basics-approach-burgess-sacking/

Let me highlight a particular JC quote too.
quote:
When asked what the squad requires to turn its season around, he added, “I think the magic bullet is a Frenchman known by a four letter word (referring to DJR Team Penske’s Ludo Lacroix).
“He is the silver bullet but unfortunately he is not loaded in our chamber, so we are still working (on what we have).”


I think the whole field, and majority of fans know just how good he is.



To compare the potential of the HRT/WP chassis with the 888 chassis is ridiculous.


Is it? The chassis is a control part and therefore theoretically all the same. Or at least very similar. If Ludo had of approached another team last year (and maybe he did), or was poached by another team, perhaps he could have turned that comparable chassis into a winner. It's a good thing for DJR fans that he approached DJRTP (and was not poached by anyone).

_Mford
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Rampaging Monkey
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Posted - 16 May 2017 :  18:36:03  Show Profile  Visit Rampaging Monkey's Homepage Send Rampaging Monkey a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Is it? The chassis is a control part and therefore theoretically all the same.



The chassis themselves are the same, but there are a number of freedoms in the suspension area -- the front subframe, front suspension geometry, and the shock valving, springs and rollbars are free.

The placement of accessories (e.g., oil tanks, electrics) is also free, which has an indirect impact on centre of gravity, weight distribution and roll centres.

Edited by - Rampaging Monkey on 16 May 2017 18:37:23
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djr18fan
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Posted - 16 May 2017 :  21:32:23  Show Profile Send djr18fan a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by djr18fan


Is it? The chassis is a control part and therefore theoretically all the same.



The chassis themselves are the same, but there are a number of freedoms in the suspension area -- the front subframe, front suspension geometry, and the shock valving, springs and rollbars are free.

The placement of accessories (e.g., oil tanks, electrics) is also free, which has an indirect impact on centre of gravity, weight distribution and roll centres.


And Ludo has knowledge of those parts. Therefore every chassis in the field has potential if Ludo was poached by, or approached another team. So again, to stay on topic, it's fortunate he saw the light and approached djrtp (was not poached).

_Mford
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Kieron302
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Posted - 17 May 2017 :  15:01:12  Show Profile Send Kieron302 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
THE DJRP cars I believe used PRA developed components therefore, were already on a proven race winning package. This year, PRA have got their ducks back inline and are battling up the front and certainly have the car speed to match T8. I'd suggest DJRP would be in the same boat as PRA if they didn't have Ludo but it's Ludos setup genius that puts them slightly ahead of the pack.

I don't believe DJRP are running any Ludo engineered components yet?

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murph_fan51
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https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/04/20/story-no-concern-lacroixs-mustang-workload/

It reads that Ludo won’t have a lot to do with the engineering design of the Mustang.

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AlbertM
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Posted - 30 Nov 2019 :  20:34:54  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Suffice to say that 888 miss Ludo, given their soft start to 2019.

Gives me some confidence in the 2020 aero changes.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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Wrighty05
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Busy day

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RIP LJ - loved and never forgotten.

"It was dry for the second go-around. Grice, nervous, worrying about his Bathurst jinx, ran 2:25.9. The amazing Brock, using every last centimetre of bitumen, yet keeping the car straight and balanced and at full noise, came back with a staggering 2:20.0 as if to say: "Match that". And people just shook their heads, bit their lips and wondered who would be second".

The Peter Brock trophy is now where it belongs.
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Posted - 30 Nov 2019 :  21:55:37  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Flat out.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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troy01505
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Suffice to say that 888 miss Ludo, given their soft start to 2019.

Gives me some confidence in the 2020 aero changes.



Considering the design and aero is done by others in the US, I am sure it will all be fine for Ludo and Penske. However if the rumours are true and both the rules and testing are improved with no grey areas then I think the advantage they had for majority of this season may be reduced or gone.

Be real interesting if Ludo pops up elsewhere in 2021 for a 2022 debut a new brand under all new regulations and I wonder who approached who?
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AlbertM
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Posted - 01 Dec 2019 :  09:10:01  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
There will always be grey areas. Such as teams sandbagging at tracks they dominated a year earlier to get upgrades no one asked for.

Mustang was clipped 10 races in of a 32 race season. 4 races later Holden and Nissan was upgraded. 8 races after that Holden was given the advantage. If Mustang had an advantage it wasn't for the majority of the season.

Ludo is asset to any team. Should he move on in 2021-2022 that team will do well.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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